4/25/10: LIVE! from the 8th Annual Investor Summit at Sea

Most of the time when we do a show, our producer keeps us locked up in the cold, lonely studio with our headphones on.  And even though we have each other, we have to use our imaginations to see our listeners.  But this week, we get to do the show in front of a LIVE STUDIO AUDIENCE! Better yet, we’re aboard a cruise ship sailing through the Caribbean!  Best of all, we’re hanging out with some the brightest, most committed real estate investors on the planet.  Toss in our SPECIAL GUESTS and the whole experience is over the top awesome!

On board and behind (and in front) of the microphones on the beautiful Carnival Triumph for this week’s show:

•    Your Captain and a mighty sailing man, host Robert “Skipper” Helms
•    Your brave and sure first mate, co-host Russell “Gilligan” Gray
•    The Godfather of Real Estate, Bob Helms
•    Rich Dad’s Asset Protection Advisor, Garrett Sutton
•    Rich Dad’s Real Estate Advisor, Ken McElroy
•    Rich Dad’s Creative Finance Advisor, Wayne Palmer
•    International Real Estate Developer, Beth Clifford
•    International Entity Planner, Attorney Mauricio Rauld
•    Special guest from Puglia’s restaurant in Little Italy, New York; featured entertainer in Adam Sandler’s Big Daddy, the one and only Jorge Buccio
•    Fine passengers that sailed that day, a cast of thousands (okay, maybe a few dozen), our live Summit at Sea audience!

As we’re stuffing the faculty and studio audience into the Big Easy Piano Bar for this live taping, we quickly that discover fitting everyone in (physically into the room, but also getting their comments into a one hour broadcast) is anything but easy!  However, the Skipper quickly takes control and before we know it, we’re off and running.

After some brief opening remarks, the Skipper asks each of the Summit Faculty to share their insights and reflections on the remarkable week we’ve all had together.  For the Rich Dad Advisors, this was their first (but hopefully not last!) Summit with The Real Estate Guys™.   They’ve all heard Robert Kiyosaki call us wild and crazy, but now they had a chance to observe it first hand.  Of course, none of that stuff makes it into the show because Summit Rule #1 is “what happens at sea stays at sea”.  Sorry!  Join us next year and then you can be a Summit Insider too!

For today’s show, each Faculty Member shares some of the highlights from their Summit presentations.

Ken McElroy taught on how he approaches real estate in today’s economy.  This is a guys who has over 10,000 doors under his control and is actively acquiring more…in spite of the “bad” real estate market.

Garrett Sutton spoke on state-of-the-art asset protection structures for real estate investors.  He also did a class on how to properly structure deals using investors and partners.  Many well meaning people end up in trouble when they raise money to buy real estate – simply because they don’t know what they don’t know.  Considering that syndicating is arguably the fastest path to big deals and big bucks, a small investment in knowing how to do it right is time and money well spent!

Wayne Palmer comments about his extensive series of classes on the creative use of private notes.  Wayne uses notes for putting together real estate deals which might not otherwise happen.  He also uses them to create equity and cash flow from next to nothing!  It seems like magic, but during the Summit he revealed some of his trade secrets.   Also, he shared the guidelines he follows to mitigate risk and optimize return.  His classes were among the most demanding, but also the most popular.  Powerful and practical principles for profiting from paper (say that fast 10 times).

Beth Clifford wowed the group with her amazing presentation on the how and why of going offshore with some of your investments and business ventures.  Hers was one of the most popular topics at the Summit, even with the faculty!  Wayne Palmer said Beth’s presentation stretched his brain and was his favorite of the Summit.  Now THAT’S saying something!

Mauricio Rauld expanded on the concept of international investment and business structures – and how to avoid the dangerous schemes which land so many novices in trouble.  There are many valid, legal and ethical structures which can be used to better protect assets, protect privacy and mitigate taxes.

There’s a lot more that happened on the Summit which just can’t fit into the radio show – even in a summary – including the Apartment Investors Panel, the Ask the Attorneys Panel and the Investor Roundtables.  Plus the fun in the sun real estate shore excursion in Belize, the more fun in the sun beach party in Cozumel and all the private shipboard parties.  Alumni will never look at a napkin the same way again!

Going into the Summit, we weren’t sure what the Rich Dad Advisors would think by the end of the week.  After all, they get to hang out with Robert Kiyosaki and talk in front of crowds of thousands!  But when it was all said and done, they had a great time.  Don’t take our word for it.  Listen to the show and you can hear it for yourself!

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Seven Lessons from the Summit at Sea

The Real Estate Guys™ 8th Annual Summit at Sea was a huge success! We feel sorry for everyone that wasn’t with us this year.   All the energy, education, experiences and relationships are hard to put into words, but we have 7 lessons we believe will help you.

We kicked off the 2010 Summit in the French Quarter of New Orleans. Many Summit attendees wisely came in a day early and made plans to stay a day or two later in order to enjoy the hospitality of this amazing city.  Those who got the most out of their trip had invested the time to research the city beforehand.  When they arrived they had geographical context and some idea about what they wanted to see and do.  One of our attendees had plans to attend a certain restaurant he’d heard good things about.  The food of the French Quarter was certainly one of the highlights of this trip. Russ took the opportunity to try turtle soup and fried alligator.  Both were great and he’d order them again!

Summit Lesson #1:  Life’s best surprises go to the curious and adventurous. Invest time to visit new places, meet new people, try new things and discover new ideas.  You’ll be the richer for it.  If you’re not that way naturally (like Russ) – hang out with people who are (like Robert).  Some of our best real estate deals and business relationships have come from simply exploring.  Deal hunting is as much art as science.  You can’t always script it.

Back to our attendee. So this guy is heading out according to his plan.  But when he steps into the hotel elevator, he runs into Rich Dad Advisor® Wayne Palmer and his family.  The short of it is our guy ends up going to dinner with Wayne!  We’ve been at Rich Dad events with hundreds and thousands of people in attendance, many of whom wait in line for a long time just to get two minutes with an Advisor.  Can you imagine being able to enjoy a long casual dinner with Wayne Palmer?

Summit Lesson #2:  Great opportunities to meet interesting people and learn new things won’t happen to those who stay home, arrive late, leave early or aren’t flexible. If you want to build strategic relationships, you must go to where the right people are and put yourself in a position to get lucky (speaking purely in terms of business).

As real estate investors, it’s important to practice exploring markets. There’s so much more you learn from actually being there.  The internet can’t capture the spirit of a market.  From cab drivers, to hotel and restaurant workers, to local shop keepers and business owners, to the people on the street, there is a lot you will discover about what’s REALLY happening in a local economy when you’re physically in it.  People living in a community know what’s happening right now with rents, prices, migration trends, demographics and job creation.  Only when you add this anecdotal information to your own real life observations can you begin to put statistics into useful perspective.  Remember: stats reports things that have already happened – not what’s happening now.

We noticed that New Orleans is a very entrepreneurial city. Perhaps in the wake of Katrina (the effects of which were still apparent) the bravest, most resilient and dedicated people have returned first.  In any case, these folks weren’t asking for handouts.  They were happy for the opportunity to earn our business – and very thankful for it when they got it.  As our nation and world continues to work through the effects of the financial crisis, the people of New Orleans gave us hope.  If people all over the world dedicate themselves to working their way out of a mess like these people are, our world is going to come out of this Great Recession just fine.

Summit Lesson #3:  Entrepreneurship and hard work (not handouts) are the keys to personal and societal recovery. Everyone who’s struggling in this economy should take a trip to New Orleans and see how winners react to adversity.  No wonder the Saints won the Super Bowl.  If we all take the spirit of New Orleans back to our businesses, this recession will quickly fade into the rear view mirror.

After a great session in the hotel, the group headed to the pier and boarded the ship.  We sailed on the Carnival Triumph, which was SOLD OUT!  Cruise lines are actually weathering the financial storm pretty well.  Why? Perhaps people realize that a cruise is a great value, meets a basic human need (to refresh themselves) and attracts financially capable people from all over the world (a broad market).  Do these principles apply to real estate investing?  It’s obvious that real estate meets a basic human need, but we’re reminded of the importance of having a large, financially capable target market.  No matter how badly someone wants something, if they can’t afford it (or don’t think they can) they won’t buy.

Summit Lesson #4:  Pick markets and properties that appeal to a large demographic of financially capable people and you will weather difficult times more easily.

The next lesson came later, but is an extension of lesson #4.  Rich Dad’s Real Estate Advisor Ken McElroy talked about the markets and properties he targets:  B-Class apartments (meets a basic human need – housing) with affordable rents (provides a great value) that appeal to working class people (a large, financially capable demographic) in markets with good mid-to-long term job creation (he focuses on areas with fundamental and growing industries such as energy).

What was very interesting is that on the real estate shore excursion to Belize, we saw a very different variation on the same themes.

In Belize, we visited a piece of beautiful waterfront land and listened as the developer shared her vision for the property.  She plans to build high quality, moderately priced residential units suitable for resort, retirement or ex-pat full time occupancy.  While the country of Belize is sparsely populated and very poor, it is a land of breathtaking natural beauty and terrific year round warm weather.

Like the cruise ship, the project in Belize provides great value, satisfies a basic human need and desire, and appeals to a worldwide, financially capable demographic.  In other words, the project’s success isn’t dependent on the local population to be successful.  It attracts people from all over the world.  And because there will be so few units available relative to the size of the market, it’s hard to imagine the project won’t be successful.  It’s very different than B-class apartments, but like the cruise line, follows a similar fundamental formula.

Summit Lesson #5: Essential principles of successful investing don’t vary much, even though markets, properties and target customers might. Or as the old adage says, there’s more than one way to skin a cat (though we have no idea why anyone would want to do that – it’s cruel).

Even though this was our 8th Summit, there is no doubt it was our most compelling line up of speakers. We were very fortunate to have not one, but THREE of Robert Kiyosaki’s Rich Dad Advisors® teaching at our Summit.  Creative real estate genius Wayne Palmer taught a powerful and practical series on how to create capital, produce profits and generate cash flow with the creative use of private notes.  Even though people had to ice their brains after each session, Wayne was gracious to make himself available during non-class times.  He answered questions and even did some individual personal consultations.  These opportunities weren’t part of the official program, but some people at the event got lucky (see Summit Lesson #2).  People left the event believing they could use the education they got to do at least one deal which would more than pay for the cost of the entire Summit – and next year’s too!

To quote Robert Kiyosaki, “Savers are Losers”.  Though we agree with his premise (and highly recommend you read his latest mega bestseller Conspiracy of the Rich), we’re saying it for a completely different reason.  We think people who “saved money” by not coming on the Summit actually lost money.  We know.  That sounds like sales pitch.  But anyone who’s ever tried to do an event like this knows that no one is getting rich by promoting it.  More, if you saw the surveys of the people who came, you’d realize that we still haven’t figured out how to over-promote the Summit.  Everyone felt it was easily worth the time and money.

When you’re around people who know how to make money in a tough economy; who are optimistic about the future; who are resourceful and busy taking advantage of all the opportunities they see in the market, you quickly realize those who lost out were those who wanted to attend and chose not to because they told themselves “I can’t afford it”.  This paradigm looks at the Summit (or similar events) as an expense and not an investment.  The difference is that an expense pays for something that is consumed and doesn’t produce a profit.  An investment pays for itself and returns a profit.  The paradigm should have been, “I can’t afford not to” and “How can I afford it?”  Most people believe a college education is worth the price, yet hesitate to invest in non-institutional education.  Could it be they believe the degree is more important than the knowledge?  What do you believe?

Summit Lesson #6:  Paradigms affect potential and profits, so pick your paradigms carefully. The Summit was full of winners and after living with these amazing people for a week we found ourselves picking up new paradigms and making commitments to shed some bad ones.  One of the great challenges is to manage the influences to our thinking.  We look for every opportunity to hang around top performers.

One common theme we noticed in the presentations of nearly all the speakers was “control”.  Wayne Palmer talked about his rules for risk.  He follows strict (but flexible) guidelines for collateral, loan-to-values, target returns and cash flows in order to control the risks he takes in any deal.  Rich Dad’s Asset Protection Advisor, attorney Garrett Sutton, talked about entity planning and how to structure your affairs in order to control liability and tax risk.  Attorney Mauricio Rauld spoke on international entity structures which further control liability and tax risk when investing outside of the US.

Ken McElroy talked about his guidelines for market and property due diligence, as well as his dogged attention to cash flow.  He uses these disciplines to control market risk.  He says this control is why his real estate investments aren’t in trouble even though he’s going through the same challenging market conditions that are wiping out so many others.  He doesn’t rely upon the market to do the work for him.  He looks for deals with upside and works to improve the cash flow, which in turn increases the equity.  Then he uses prudent leverage to release the new equity and return his seed capital so he can move forward with positive cash flow – all on no money invested.  This produces what Robert Kiyosaki calls “infinite returns”.  Meanwhile, he recycles the seed capital to do the next deal!

Robert Helms stressed the importance of controlling one’s mindset when investing in the wake of an unprecedented drop in values (see Summit Lesson #6).  Each had a different angle, but again, all variations on a theme: control.

Summit Lesson #7:  Pay careful attention to the things you can control so you’re able to withstand the challenges caused by the things you can’t (inflation, taxes, market cycles, interest rates, etc).  When it comes to investing, most people are out of control.  Fear overrides common sense and they buy high and sell low.  They turn their money over to bankers and Wall Street and hope for the best (hope is not a strategy).  They manage cash flow by feel rather than budgets and bookkeeping.  Worst of all, they wait for external circumstances to get better rather than investing in making themselves better with education, relationships, strategies, disciplines, systems and a willingness to take action in the face of uncertainty.

We could go on and on!  There are SO many great lessons to glean from the Summit.  Of course, the only way to really get them is to actually be there.  The Real Estate Guys™ Summit isn’t the only event of its type, but after reading the surveys of the attendees, and even more, hearing the feedback of the Rich Dad Advisors®, we think it’s one of the best.  And we’re already making plans to make next year’s Summit even better!

We encourage you to make it your goal to be with us in 2011. Without exception, every survey we received said the event exceeded expectations and was well worth the time and money invested.  Over one third of this year’s group has already signed up for next year!

To make sure YOU get the upcoming announcement about The Real Estate Guys™ 9th Annual Summit at Sea in 2011, be sure to sign up for our newsletter. To be extra sure you get the early bird deal, use our feedback page to let us know you’re interested and we’ll put you on our VIP notification list.

All the best!

Robert Helms and Russell Gray
Hosts
The Real Estate Guys™ Radio Show

Wayne Palmer added to Summit Faculty!!!

More GREAT news!!!  Wayne Palmer, a man Robert Kiyosaki describes as a “creative genius” when it comes to real estate deal making, will be a featured teacher on The Real Estate Guys 8th Annual Real Estate Investor Summit at Sea!

Wayne joins fellow Rich Dad advisors Ken McElroy and Garrett Sutton, as well as The Real Estate Guys’ own Robert Helms, Russell Gray and the Godfather of Real Estate Bob Helms – plus international real estate developer Beth Clifford – for the most dynamic Summit faculty we’ve ever had!

Wayne is a contributing author to Robert Kiyosaki’s recently released The REAL Book of Real Estate.  In fact, Wayne wrote more of that book than any other contributor.  Wayne is a master of creative deal structure using notes and equity exchanges.  For the first time ever, he will be revealing his strategies for creative deal structure and profit using promissory notes!

Wayne has a long history in real estate dating back to 1976.  He has an extensive background, which spans several states and decades, in real estate sales, development and financing.  Wayne is a Certified Real Estate Note Appraiser, a Certified Cash Flow Master Broker and is a respected leader in the creative equity exchange industry.  Most importantly, Wayne knows how to create wealth without cash and will be sharing his priceless knowledge as we sail the Caribbean together for 8 days and 7 nights!

This is a VERY RARE OPPORTUNITY for a LIMITED number of people to spend an entire week with Wayne (plus Ken, Garrett and the rest of the Summit faculty).  Don’t miss the boat!

The 8th Annual Summit at Sea is April 9-17, 2010!!!

Enjoy a week of fun, sun, camaraderie and powerful real estate education sailing the beautiful Caribbean with your hosts – The Real Estate Guys™ and an AMAZING line up of teachers including Rich Dad Advisors Ken McElroy, Garrett Sutton and Wayne Palmer; plus international real estate developer Beth Clifford and of course, Robert, Russ and the Godfather of Real Estate, Bob Helms.

Friday, April 9 through Saturday, April 17, 2010

Register early for the best upgrades! Call 888-489-7723 to speak with our fabulous Cruise Director MaryLyn or contact us though our Feedback page.

Food, Fun, Sun, Drinks, Food, Music, Dancing, Food, Shows, Shore Excursions and Food! You’ll love the International Gourmet Cuisine, Lavish Entertainment, Full Casino, Live Bands, Round-the-Clock Complimentary Room Service and incredible ports of call. But that’s not all!

Information Packed Seminars, Workshops and Round Table Discussions On the days at sea, The Guys and their team of expert speakers provide over 25 hours of exciting and practical real estate training to help you build your knowledge to expand your real estate empire!

A Mastermind Experience - In his classic Think and Grow Rich, author Napoleon Hill revealed that most of the millionaires he interviewed always invested quality time with like-minded people as a way to stay motivated, gather new ideas and to get feedback on their own ideas. What better place than an 8 day cruise to “rub brains” with The Real Estate Guys, their guest speakers and other like-minded investors? It’s a planning retreat, a vacation, a networking event and trade conference all wrapped into one power-packed week!

Optional Real Estate Field Trip – The great thing about real estate is that it’s everywhere!  So even though the ship’s “consumer” excursions are fun, The Real Estate Guys always like to set up an educational tour of a local real estate market at one or more of our ports of call. This is a great way to see how The Guys evaluate a market – and we almost always get local market experts to share their insights with our group.  We call it “Kickin’ the Dirt” – though sometimes it’s actually beautiful white sand beaches and crystal blue water!

This Year’s Ports – We’ll be starting in the fun filled city of New Orleans on Friday, April 9th before we set sail on the incredible Carnival Triumph to visit the beautiful ports of Belize, Isla Roatan and Cozumel, Mexico.

It’s a Family Affair! Even if your spouse and children aren’t interested in real estate, there’s lots to enjoy while you’re in classes. The Guys always bring their families, so you’ll get to meet The Real Estate Wives and The Real Estate Kids! Camp Carnival has age appropriate activities for children as young as two years old!

Space is limited, so call now so you don’t miss the boat!

Register early for the best upgrades! Call 1-888-489-7723 to speak with our Cruise Director MaryLyn  or or contact us though our Feedback page.

Still not convinced?  Check out this video from one of our previous Summits and imagine YOU as the star of the 2010 event!

The Top 10 Reasons to Attend The Real Estate Guys Investor Summit at Sea

Frequently Asked Questions

9/27/09: The Real Estate Guys Answer Your Questions

Every day we get emails from our listeners.  Some like to tell us how awesome we are (oh, go on!), but most have questions.  We’re working on some new ways to be able to be more responsive.  So keep those emails coming!

For this week’s show, we decided to grab a few question out of the email in box and talk about them on the air.  Joining host Robert Helms in studio are his trusty sidekick, Russell Gray and “The Godfather of Real Estate” Bob Helms.

We kicked off the show  commenting on Ben Bernanke’s pronouncement that “technically speaking, the recession is over.”  Yippee! Right?!?

After having fun with that, we reached into the mail bag and pulled out a question about which U.S. markets are “best” for appreciation right now.  Our crystal ball wasn’t warmed up, so we chatted on this one awhile.  It’s a question that comes up all the time and though easy to ask, it’s hard to answer.  So we talked about the conditions we look for to cause appreciation, how today’s economic environment affect them, and some specific markets we’re watching.

Another question that is salient to the times was about the availability of financing in today’s market.  There are certain product segments and demographics that can’t find financing, while others have abundant financing available.  Obviously, when you know where the money is flowing and why, you can position yourself in its path and do well.  Having just been at the Rich Dad Real Estate Summit with Ken McElroy, Robert Kiyosaki and several veterans of investing and finance, we had some fresh insights to share.

The next question was also all too common in today’s economy.  “I have a property that is upside down with negative cash flow, what should I do?”  As Kenny Rogers sang, “You gotta know when to hold ‘em, know when to fold ‘em, know when to walk away, know when to run.”  Lots of people are struggling with the issue of “strategic defaults” and its ramifications.  (Side note:  The Real Estate Guys wrote a free 18 page report What You MUST Know Before Attempting a Loan Workout to help people in this situation understand their options. To get a copy, just send an email to workout@realestateguysradio.com)

The discussion of  what to do with an upside down negative cash flow property had us reflecting on the previous discussion of where’s the appreciation most likely.  It also lead directly into another topic:  The Price of Maintaining You Good Credit.  Good credit has never been more important, but if you have lots of negative equity and negative cash flow, how much is it really costing you to maintain it?  This is a very timely topic and we tossed around our thoughts on the subject.

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The Rich Dad Real Estate Summit

9/13/09 Scottsdale, AZ – Nearly 150 enthusiastic people gathered in Scottsdale for the 2 day Rich Dad Real Estate Summit hosted by best selling author Robert Kiyosaki and conducted by Rich Dad Advisor and real estate entrepreneur Ken McElroy. The Real Estate Guys were on hand to not only observe, but participate in this inaugural boot camp which is dedicated to teaching active and aspiring real estate investors how to succeed in the “new” real estate economy.

The event featured a host of highly qualified experts in various aspects of real estate investment including property management, financing, deal sourcing and analysis, and taxation. The event started at 9 am on Saturday morning and ran well into the evening. We didn’t get back to our hotel room (at the very nice Scottsdale Plaza Resort) until close to 9 pm, but even then we weren’t done! We had 5 different real life investment deals to review in preparation for the next day when we would divide into team and prepare and present offer letters to the panel.

Though it sounds intense, the Rich Dad team did a great job keeping the energy up with lively music, regular breaks with refreshments provided, and the trademark conversational breaks where we would discuss the topic at hand with other students sitting at our table. Not only did this break up the monotony of lecture, but it really helped reinforce our understanding of the material. Teaching is a very effective learning tool. In fact, when we were talking with Robert Kiyosaki during a recording session on Monday, he said one of the reasons he works so hard teaching is because he learns so much!

In the afternoon of the 2nd day, the crowd was divided into teams and each team was assigned one of the case study properties on which to write a Letter of Intent (LOI). It was like being on The Apprentice! The pressure was mounting to finish the analysis and craft an offer that would be strong enough to win, but without overpaying for the property. As the announcer counted down the time, the tension mounted. People were running to the front of the room to submit their offer before the time ran out!

A representative from each team was called up to sit with their competitors in front of the panel of judges. One by one, each had just 2 minutes to present the offer. Then the panel would begin to question and negotiate. Having been through this process many times ourselves, we can tell you is that very realistic!

There were far more lessons than could ever be contained in this short report, but even with all of the experience we have in the real world of real estate, The Real Estate Guys definitely discovered some new things. Plus, we made lots of new friends!

Overall, we thought it was a great event – well organized, well produced and lots of fun. We can’t wait to go to the next one!