Ask The Guys – Recession Preparation, Note Investing, Gold Strategies

You’ve got questions. We’ve got answers. 

That’s right. It’s time for another segment of Ask The Guys … when we talk about trends, challenges, and investment opportunities. 

This time we’re tackling listener questions about investing in the face of a potential recession, the pros and cons of private note investing, whether it makes sense to leverage gold to invest in real estate … and more!

Remember … we aren’t tax advisors or legal professionals. 

We give ideas and information … NOT advice. 

 In this episode of The Real Estate Guys™ show, hear from:

  • Your knowing host, Robert Helms
  • His crowing co-host, Russell Gray 

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Preparing for a recession

James from Phoenix, Arizona, just moved to the area and is interested in purchasing a single-family rental property.

He wants to know what zip codes we feel offer the best opportunities for a solid cash flow, long-term equity investment.

He also wants to hear our thoughts on how we think a possible recession will affect the Phoenix housing market.

First off, we don’t get into the specificity of zip codes in any market. BUT we do know a great provider in Phoenix that absolutely has the answer.

It’s always better to find someone with boots on the ground knowledge to learn more about a marketplace. So, that’s our advice there. Find a good team member … and work with them.

But when it comes to recession … that’s something we can definitely talk about.

As a country, we recently had a tax code change. One of the biggest changes was that state and local taxes are no longer deductible on your federal income tax.

People who lived in high tax states like California are suddenly realizing what a big difference that deduction made … and they are moving to greener pastures.

Phoenix is a major metro that offers a lot of the quality of life amenities people want … and its close proximity to California makes it a hot destination for those fleeing the state’s high prices.

For investors, the key is to find properties with what we like to call “recession resistant pricing.”

If things go well, the value of the property moves up … but those rents are still in demand even when things in the economy aren’t doing as well.

So, your mission ought to be to get with a great local provider and work together to find properties that hit in this sweet spot.

The good news is that Phoenix is a market where we saw pretty good stability in the last downturn.

A look at note investing

Larry from Folsom, California, wants to know what we think about the notes business … and what we think about the notes business as a real estate business.

Some people like to invest in the property. Some people like to invest in the financing.

The note business means that you are writing mortgages, carrying back mortgages, placing private notes, or buying second-hand notes that are loans.

You get the note … and you get the interest … and you have the collateral against the property.

There are two primary reasons people invest in notes.

Some people invest in notes because they want the yield … they want the interest rate, which often can be higher than traditional mortgages.

Other people invest in notes or make hard money loans because what they really want is the property.

They make a loan to someone who is in need … if it pays off, great. If it doesn’t, they get the property.

So, the note business is an interesting business. It can be appealing because you are able to derive income without the hassle of landlording or the risk of the property going down in value.

But that doesn’t mean note investing is without capital risk. It all depends on whether you want to sell the note or not after you buy it.

Where the real money gets made in notes is when you’re trading in notes and you’re using distressed property.

You might go in and lend to somebody who may not be a prime borrower in an ideal situation … so they’re going to pay a premium.

That means you are going to get a little bit of extra interest … and maybe a little bit of extra protective equity.

You can also take things a step further and purchase loans from people who own them already and have decided for whatever reason they don’t want them.

So, you would offer them a discount to the face value of the note.

Now, you’ll be getting paid back more than you lend plus more!

And that discount is added to the interest that a person’s going to pay. That can bring your yield up quite a bit.

Another approach is to buy non-performing notes in the hopes that you can rehab them and get the person paying again OR that you’ll be successful in foreclosing on the collateral.

These types of notes can sometimes be bought for pennies on the dollar.

The key takeaway here is that there are a lot of different ways to get involved in the note side of the business for people who aren’t as interested in dealing with the real estate and tenant side of things.

You don’t have the landlord responsibilities … you do have the debt collection responsibilities.

Overall, we like the note business … but we don’t like the note business as a real estate business.

Now, this is just because of our personal investment philosophies. We don’t want to make a bunch of money because someone else had to be foreclosed on.

For us, it’s too messy and can be ugly. But if you have a more combative personality … it might work for you.

Leveraging against gold

Quentin from Mahomet, Illinois, is seeing the value of the dollar go down … and wondering why an investor shouldn’t just buy gold to use as collateral and leverage against it.

Quentin feels that if the dollar tanks, then your collateral … the price of gold … goes up all while your real estate cash flow asset makes money.

The question is … are there downsides to this approach?

Leveraging against gold has been on our mind for a long, long time.

It has only been in the last 50 years or so that gold hasn’t been money … there’s a good possibility it’s going to come back and eventually be money again.

Central banks are loading up on it. So, we don’t think it’s a bad idea to take some of your liquid reserves and put them into gold.

Gold shouldn’t be considered as an investment. Gold is a place to store wealth … just like cash.

But gold protects you from cash failing and has a longer track record of success.

Borrowing against gold is just like borrowing against any other asset. The equation always just comes down to being able to provide the cash flow to service all the debt involved.

If you lose control of cash flow … everything leveraged unravels.

Still, if you’ve done the math … and you feel comfortable … it’s not a bad way of thinking.

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Profitable Niches – Single Family Rentals

In our final episode of our Profitable Niches series, we’re ending where many folks probably thought we would start … with single family rentals.

It’s no mystery why this is the most popular way for new investors to enter into real estate investing. Home ownership and single family homes are something that everyone knows well, and it makes sense to start with what you know.

When it comes to investing in single-family rentals, our guest this week knows her market inside and out and has some tips for picking the best deals that you’ll definitely want to hear.

In this episode of The Real Estate Guys™ show you’ll hear from:

  • Your singular host, Robert Helms
  • His family-friendly co-host, Russell Gray
  • Guest, Jean Gillen, real estate agent in Central Florida

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Why single family rentals make sense

It’s impossible to not interact with the real estate economy in some way. Whether you own your own home, rent, or have investment properties already, you’re participating in the real estate economy.

Single family rentals are a great way to enter into the market and interact as a beneficiary. So, rather than just paying rent or a mortgage, you can collect money from tenants. You’ll get cash flow AND build equity over time.

In the US economy especially, the single family market is given high priority by the government. There are incredible tax benefits and incentives given to people who own housing, even if they are renting it out.

After all, having affordable, accessible housing is an essential need and a key part of the nation’s economy.

But, single family rentals are also accessible to small-time investors or folks just starting out. They aren’t very efficient, so larger investors don’t have the ability to cherry pick individual listings. That’s how smaller investors can do the research to find great deals and still enter the market.

One of the first things we talk about with any kind of investment is understanding your investing philosophy. Then, build a top-notch team … a realtor, lender, and other experts. Finally, find the right property to buy.

Our guest this week is a realtor who specializes in investment properties. She knows all about the importance of building a team and finding investments that make sense.

The secrets of successful single-family rentals

Jean Gillen is a realtor in the Central Florida market. She helps investors get good deals. And, when you’re looking to build an all-star team to help with your investments, you want a realtor like Jean who knows what investors are looking for in a rental.

“The wonderful thing about selling to investors is that it’s all on a piece of paper,” Jean says. “If it doesn’t work out on a piece of paper, don’t buy it.”

One of the pitfalls some new investors and certainly new homeowners make is getting too emotionally attached to a kitchen or other part of a house. It can lead to decisions that don’t make sense on paper.

That’s why Jean works with the types of clients that she does.

“I like working with investors because I don’t have to please the woman or the man,” she says. “It’s more fun to find that great investment for people.”

In fact, Jean says she has clients she has never met, and they’ve purchased properties they’ve never seen in person. While this may be a paradigm shift, it goes to show that taking the emotion out of purchasing a property and seeing it as the investment vehicle it is can be a good philosophy.

One of the other things Jean sees as key to a successful investment is a good property manager. Jean has several management companies she works within her market and suggests her clients interview all of them.

“If you feel you can get along with the manager, then it’s going to make your life much easier,” Jean says. In many cases, your property manager will pay the taxes and HOA fees for you.

And, of course, finding a realtor who understands investment property is worth their weight in gold. They’ll be a valuable resource to find additional properties and even to manage current ones and solve problems with property managers.

Single family rentals in Central Florida

Single family rentals are all about the market. Find a strong market and the right realtor to guide you through, and you can capitalize on what single family rentals have to offer.

Jean specializes in the Central Florida market. She knows the streets and neighborhoods where clients can find the best deals. AND she knows the tenant demographics.

Even though Florida is known as being the place for retirees, she says, the average age of residents in Central Florida is 37. Many tenants today were homeowners before the economic downturn in 2008 and have decided they’d rather rent.

“These are just normal people. They could be school teachers or work in hospitals,” Jean says. “I rented a house to a doctor because he worked at a new hospital and didn’t want to buy for the first two years.”

Jean also prefers Central Florida because it’s landlord friendly. Thanks to Florida’s governor, more businesses are coming to the state and drawing in a larger workforce. It’s a hotbed of activity for aerospace, university students, and many other industries.

In fact, Jean says that home values in Florida are expected to rise 35 percent by 2021, meaning now is a good time to consider looking at the market. With new homes coming into the market by the end of summer, Jean is excited about the new opportunities available.

At the end of the day, Jean believes that the deals worth doing are the ones that make sense on paper. She’s put together a presentation on the Central Florida market including who is renting and how to find properties that will cash flow well. We’d love to send it to you!

Send an email to centralflorida [at] realestateguysradio [dot] com and you’ll receive it right away along with Jean’s contact information to learn more.


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