09/06/15: In Search of Yield – Hotel and Resort Investing

In the second installment of our series on looking outside of little green houses for higher cash flows, we turn our attention to a Monopoly favorite….big red hotels.

Except in this case, they aren’t big, they aren’t red…and they aren’t necessarily on Boardwalk or Marvin Gardens.

So in this episode, we sit down with a seasoned real estate investor and international boutique resort developer for an insider’s perspective on how hospitality real estate works…and where the opportunities are.

In the studio to help us check in to the four-star ideas for hospitality investing:

  • Your hospitable host, Robert Helms
  • His last resort co-host, Russell Gray
  • International resort developer and regular contributor, Beth Clifford

In a world of artificially low interest rates, artificially high asset values, and overtly managed (manipulated?) financial markets…queasy investors are trying to find something real to cling to.

For most investors, that means income.  But not all income investments are created equal.

With stocks and bonds arguably in a bubble, where can you invest for income without risking a huge loss of principal?Debt-based investments like bonds expose investors to the triple threat of low yield, default and collapsing principal value.  Yikes!

And with interest rates SO low, and the looming threat of rising interest rates, it seems like bonds would be a scary place to be.

At least with real estate backed debt like private mortgages (NOT derivatives of mortgage-backed securities), the debt is backed up by a real asset.  One that presumably can generate sufficient income to make the payments…even if the lender has to take over operations.

So while we would be very hesitant to use bonds or bank accounts to generate income from debt (remember, when you make a deposit in a bank you are effectively loaning them your money), we’d be a lot more open to making loans against quality cash-flowing real estate.

On the equity side (buying a property versus lending against one), we like to borrow whenever we can generate more cash flow from the property than it costs to borrow.  And with interest rates so low, it’s better to be a borrower than a lender in today’s market…unless you’re able to lend at above average interest rates and still attract credit worthy borrowers and quality collateral.

Now if you’re an active residential real estate investor in single-family or apartments, you know that rates are low on both sides of the fence.

That is, though loan rates are low…so are cap rates (cash-on-cash returns).  That’s because lenders and borrowers both rushed into residential in search of better yields and security.

That’s why we think now’s the time to look outside of mainstream residential real estate for better yields.  The principles are the same, but the numbers are better.

In this episode, we consider hotel and resort property investing…and not just domestically, but globally.  And whether you want to play in the debt or the equity side, hotel and resort properties offer some very unique and attractive characteristics.

First, the properties are typically nicer…Resort properties are fund to use and to rent out

Sure, you could buy or loan against a dump.  But except for motels that are really more like psuedo-apartments for transients, most hospitality properties are operated for a more discriminating clientele.  Therefore, the properties are in good shape and located in nicer areas.

Next, the properties are professionally managed

While it’s true that you can hire a professional manager to handle your single-family home or apartment building, some investors are tempted to practice do-it-yourself property management.

But running a hotel or resort is much more work because instead of monthly or yearly leases, you’re dealing with daily or weekly tenancies.  And a good operator is the key to success, and it probably should not be you.

Hospitality has a new guest…

A new generation of mobile workers are able to live, work and play...all at the same time...in hotels and resorts.Hotel and resorts are grabbing a new and growing demographic…the mobile workforce.

In today’s technology empowered free-lance world, it’s easier for people to live a far more mobile lifestyle.  It’s no longer necessary to take off work to stay in a hotel or resort.  You take your work with you.

Hospitality properties are easier than ever to market

The same technology which facilitates a mobile workforce also opens up international markets to the small time hotel or resort operator.  From social media to travel sites, it’s just a lot easier for prospective guests to find a property.  So while it’s nice to have a big brand affiliation, it’s a lot more level playing field for boutique operators to compete for attention.

A sweet spot to store your wealth…

If you invest in a very small property, you may not get the economies of scale necessary to attract a professional operator and generate a respectable hands-off bottom line.

If you go too big, the obvious obstacle is you have to have…or raise…a lot of money.  And then you’re competing with other whales.

But there’s a sweet spot…above the small-time operator, but below the mega-chain, where an individual investor can play and there’s still enough meat on the bone to make it profitable.

And if you can find a niche, or a market, where there’s more need than there is supply,  you can get in and stake your claim early.

Rents from the affluent

One of our favorite things about hospitality investing is it allows us to collect rents from businesses and (relatively) rich people.

When you’re buying little green houses or apartments, your customer (tenant) is typically a working class guy or gal…maybe even on some kind of government subsidy like foot stamps, Social Security, Section 8, etc.

These are the first people to feel the pinch of rising food, energy and healthcare costs.  They just don’t have a lot of extra money after paying for essentials.  So when their cost of living rises, it makes it harder for them to pay you rent.

And if the government subsidy goes away or is reduced…or if interest rates on your tenants’ consumer credit goes up…then it becomes even harder for them to pay you rent.

But, while affluent people would probably never rent their home from you, they’ll pay you rent to stay in your resort property.

There are other ways to derive rents from the affluent, but resort property is one of our favorites.

And right now, the yields are much higher than apartments, so we like it even better!

So tune in and take in a heapin’ helpin’ of our hospitality…discussion, that is.  And consider how you might begin to put some paradise in your portfolio.Collecting resort properties can be a fun and profitable way to invest in real estate.

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8/1/10: Economics, Politics and Real Estate – Interviews from Freedom Fest 2010

If you’re one of those who take The Real Estate Guys™ to the gym, make sure you carbo load first! This one’s a whopper!  Our radio audience only got an hour, but the podcast audience gets the whole enchilada.  That way whether you like American or Mexican, there’s something for everyone.

A few weeks back, we went to Las Vegas for the 7th Annual Freedom Fest conference.  This was our first time and we weren’t sure what to expect.  But after our previous interview with event founder, economist Mark Skousen, we thought it would be worthwhile.  It turned out even better than we thought!

After being near the epicenter of the financial earthquake which rocked the real estate portfolios of even the most experienced investors, we’ve put a big emphasis on studying economics.  Who cares if you’re expert at fixing up properties, managing tenants or putting together syndications if property values are crashing, tenants don’t have jobs, loans aren’t available, and people are too scared to act?

So we started looking for people who saw it coming, put their predictions in writing and got it right for the right reasons.  Hindsight’s often 20/20, but seeing the storm coming while there’s still time to shutter the windows is better.  You might not be able to avoid bad economic weather, but with advance notice at least you can prepare!

We looked at the lineup of speakers at Freedom Fest and decided this would surely be an eye-opening experience. We were especially excited about Peter Schiff, author of Crash Proof 2.0 (a highly recommended read!).  Schiff called the crisis for the right reasons – and way ahead of time.  We’re happy to say we got a lengthy interview with Mr. Schiff to see what he’s thinking now – which is the feature of our next show.

While we’re boasting about awesome interviews, we also had a chance to talk with billionaire CEO of Forbes Magazine and former Presidential candidate, Steve Forbes.  That interview is coming up in a couple of weeks, so stay tuned!  The best way to be sure you don’t miss any of our exciting episodes is to subscribe to our podcast via iTunes (shameless plug). 😉

Today’s episode is about talking to LOTS of people! It was like one of those speed dating sessions.  Robert sat at the microphone from early morning to late at night, and Russ rounded up a long line of interesting people to interview.

Featured in this episode of The Real Estate Guys™ Radio Show:

  • Your host, Robert Helms
  • Co-host and cat herder, Russell Gray

And a long parade of very special guests (in order of appearance):

Jeffrey Verdon, Attorney, talks about estate planning and asset protection strategies utilized by wealthy individuals; including off-shore entities and a very interesting technique for funding life insurance.

Dave Fessler, Energy & Infrastructure Expert for the Oxford Club.  Dave discusses his views on the future of energy and infrastructure and their impact on jobs and the economy.  He also comments on “the paradox of thrift” – how consumer savings is actually fueling the recession.  He tells us how long he thinks it’s going to last, and where he believes America’s best chance for job creation are right now.

Bob Bauman, Attorney, Former U.S. Congressman, Founder of The Sovereign Society; shares his thoughts on offshore investment, asset protection, second citizenship and the growing interest many people have in diversifying globally.

Vernon Jacobs, CPA, is an expert in international taxation.  Vern tells us what to consider when investing or employing asset protection strategies offshore.

Robert Barnes, Attorney, is part one of two back to back interviews with lawyers from a premier tax and investment fraud law firm that went 3 for 3 (that’s pretty good!) in three of the top four high profile tax cases in the U.S. (you’d recognize the names).  Mr. Barnes reveals the worst thing you can do when contacted by the IRS.

Robert Bernhoft, Attorney, is part two of our tax and investment fraud attorney interviews.  Mr. Bernhoft describes what you can do to proactively avoid problems with both your investors and regulators; and shares how his firm uses specialized “non-litigation” techniques to recover misappropriated funds without going to court.

Steve Hochberg, Chief Market Analyst for Elliott Wave, works closely with Robert Prechter.  Prechter’s 2002 NY Times best seller, Conquer the Crash, accurately predicted the current financial crisis.  While everyone is running scared of inflation, Steve says DEFLATION is actually the big near term threat.  He believes we are “on the precipice of the greatest stock market decline of our lifetime.”

Patri Friedman, Executive Director and Chairman of the Board of The Seasteading Institute.  A city on the sea?  Really??? Before you write it off as Looney Tunes, go to their website and look at their management team.  These guys are all brilliant.  We’re talking Stanford, Harvard, Yale.  Wow.  Have you heard of Pay Pal?   Yeah,the founder is on their board.  And why were they at Freedom Fest?  Take a listen!

Leon Louw, Executive Director of the Free Market Foundation, all the way from South Africa!  Why?  To raise money to advance property ownership rights for blacks in South Africa. For what it’s worth, we didn’t see any evidence of racism at Freedom Fest, though it was full of “tea baggers”.  Obviously, Leon felt people at the event would be supportive of his cause. From our observations he was right.  But this isn’t a political interview. any more than our show is political.  We just  want to understand what people are thinking and doing, and how it creates or undermines real estate opportunities.  Think about the ramifications on demand in a market where a large part of the population, formerly locked out, suddenly has access to buy property.  Very interesting stuff.

Terry Coxon, author of Unleash Your IRA, shares a powerful concept for maximizing your Individual Retirement Account.  We thought we knew all about this topic, but Terry shares a strategy we hadn’t considered. Now we’re hyped to read his book.  With the demise of home equity, and a growing number of people predicting a tough stock market (at best); and lending getting even tighter from financial reform, we think IRA’s and rollover 401k’s are one of the BEST sources of private investment capital.  That makes this a topic worth exploring!

Ron Holland, editor of two financial newsletters and 30 year financial industry veteran, has something to say on the topic of IRA’s.  And it’s concerning.  He shares what he thinks is the greatest threat to your retirement account.

Terry Easton, author of Refounding America and contributor to Human Events. Terry is uber-conservative / Libertarian and has a lot to say on the topics of economics, politics and real estate.  We came to hear a lot of opinions and it just so happens that Terry has a lot of opinions.  But since they come from a long history of study and involvement, we think they’re worth listening to.

All in all, Freedom Fest was a great experience and we’re very likely to attend next year’s event.  We met great people, got valuable insights, and had our paradigms stretched (we’ve been icing them since we got back).  Most of all, we see the economy and real estate from a much broader perspective.  As we continue to seek out markets, opportunities and product niches to invest in, we are convinced a bigger perspective will pay huge dividends.

Remember – our next two episodes feature our interviews with Peter Schiff and Steve Forbes!

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Join The Real Estate Guys in Beautiful Belize!

The Real Estate Guys are going back to Belize!  And who can blame us?

What's Not to Like?

In our continuing quest for emerging growth markets, we’ve discovered great opportunities in the beautiful country of Belize!

Would you like to have invested in Cabo San Lucas Mexico 20 years ago…or Hawaii 30 years ago?  Then come explore the white sand beaches, crystal blue seas and gorgeous rainforests of the only English speaking country in Latin America!

Robert Helms and his team have been to Belize nearly 50 times in the last 2 years!  They will take you on a guided tour of both the forest covered mainland and the magical tropical islands which sit safely nestled inside the largest barrier reef in the Northern Hemisphere.

You’ll see raw and ready to develop land, single family homes, condos and more.  Hear from bankers, appraisers, local real estate brokers and developers, and other experts!

Is it possible to profit in paradise?  If you don’t go, you won’t know!  Come discover Belize with The Real Estate Guys™ on our next field trip!

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You can’t call this a vacation because we work hard and cover a lot of ground in a short period of time. But you’ll still have TONS OF FUN!  Come hang out with The Real Estate Guys – and discover why we LOVE Belize!

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