Alternative Financing Sources for Your Real Estate Business

Ready to invest in real estate, but don’t have the capital?

Acquiring capital is an oft-looked part of building your real estate portfolio. But don’t fret … where there’s a will, there’s a way. Over and over, we see creative solutions for investors’ need for capital.

The latest expert guest on our latest show offers new capital ideas WE hadn’t even heard of yet.

We always like sharing interesting new ideas, especially those that give real estate investors a competitive advantage. So listen in, and hear how Joe Nielsen at Clear Capital Group, Inc., can help you turn your real estate investments into a REAL business.

In our latest show you will hear from:

  • Your master debt collector, Robert Helms
  • His number-crunching co-captain, Russell Gray
  • Real estate investor, advocate for small business owners, and founder of Clear Capital Group, Joe Nielsen

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The need for alternative capital solutions

Joe Nielsen, a long-time listener of our show (thanks, Joe!), was growing his own real estate portfolio and needed capital.

After spending many weeks … which turned to months … filling out endless applications and providing volumes of documentation only to be declined and forced to start over again, Joe kept thinking, “There must be a better way.”

In fact, if you’re looking for capital from banks and credit unions, stats are stacked against you. Less than 10% of businesses that seek funding actually get it.

So Joe created a new capital solution. He founded Clear Capital Group, Inc., a specialty commercial finance firm, to help the 90% who are rejected by banks.

Debt: A critical tool for real estate investors

Before we dig into details on how Joe at Clear Capital Group can help you, let’s talk about why debt is a GOOD thing in real estate.

Some people are raised to be debt-adverse, in every situation. Let’s back up and think about this though. There are two kinds of debt, and they are majorly different. Our quick definitions:

  • Bad debt –High-interest rate credit purchases on consumer goods that offer little to no return in value. You PAY to have this kind of debt, sometimes twice as much as the item’s original cost.
  • Good debt –Provides you a long-term return through an investment. This kind of debt PAYS YOU to own it.

See the difference?

In real estate, debt is a critical tool. In fact, the GOAL is to accumulate debt. Our friend and mega-bestselling author, Robert Kiyosaki, says the right debt is a very good thing because of leverage and tax benefits.

We use debt prudently when it’s available. (Remember, debt not always an option! Sometimes we go through whole economic cycles when it can’t be accessed.)

Managing your portfolio of debt

So with that primer, a lot of people don’t pay enough attention to managing their debt. They focus more on the monthly grind of covering utilities, property management, and maintenance.

Banks know this, so traditional lenders often require you have “debt-coverage ratio,” meaning you have enough cash flow coming in, they feel confident you won’t default.

When you get a loan on property, be prudent about it. Do your homework. Make sure you understand your credit, cash, and income sources.

Now you’re dealing with the financing needs of business. Growing your business means investing in more properties, so you save up a down payment and do it again.

Once you have several loans under your belt, it gets harder to get more. That’s where Joe and Clear Capital Group can help.

Seeing capital options more clearly

Clear Capital Group helps real estate investors across the United States get access to capital.

For example, if an investor has 10 properties and wants to invest in another one, the bank will likely tell them, “Sorry, you’re maxed-out on debt.”

Clear Capital Group can take those properties off of an investor’s private portfolio, so their debt-to-income ratio is viewed more favorably.

“You can have as many transactions as you want with healthy debt,” says Joe.

Another option is “wrapping them up” and getting a blanket loan. “This makes it more flexible and clears up the mess of being ‘Fannie and Freddied out’ that happens to a lot of investors,” Joe says.

Underwriting with Clear Capital Group is similar to a multi-family apartment building, and they do have some restrictions. For example, your properties need to be similar product types in near proximity to each other.

They will view your portfolio as a solid mass, and hope to see at least an 80% occupancy rate. Their fees and terms are for a 20-30 year amortization, and although their rates are higher than bank financing, they are fixed for 7-10 years.

“We can turn you into a legitimate business that we can lend to,” Joe says. “For example, this capital could help you with fixing and flipping so you can pay contractors and cover cost of materials.”

The biggest mistake investors make

Joe says it’s a mistake to find a property before you’ve found your financing.

“I educate my clients to prepare for financing first, THEN find the property that fits your strategy,” Joe says. “Seek out a lender and understand your financial profile,” advises Joe. “You want to identify the options available to you.”

This reminds us of our secret to finding a great deal: your Personal Investing Philosophy.

We also say there’s a “Personal Funding Philosophy” – meaning you need to determine the amount of risk you’re willing to take.

At Clear Capital Group, they help you in three ways in their complimentary initial consultation:

  • Identify the options available to you.
  • Determine a strategy.
  • Help you achieve it by connecting you to the right lender.

We’re personally very excited about the tools available, some of which we didn’t know about. You can learn more in Joe’s report, “Tools for Funding Your Real Estate Investing Business,” which you can get by emailing tools@realestateguysradio.com.

Remember, a consumer thinks about saving, where an investor thinks about profit.

When you’ve got access to capital, you differentiate yourself. You’re not competing with every mom and pop investor out there.

Give yourself a competitive edge in the marketplace with Joe’s report, and ‘til next week … go make some equity happen!


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Trump’s budget and your real estate investing …

In case you missed it, President Trump just announced his proposed budget. 

Two items caught our attention.

First, there are big cuts to social programs.  With 43 million people on food stamps and many of those being renters, there’s an obvious ramification for landlords.

As we said back in 2015, “…if the government subsidy goes away or is reduced…or if interest rates on your tenants’ consumer credit goes up…then it becomes even harder for them to pay you rent.

Hopefully, it’s both an obvious conclusion and one you’ve seen coming.  It hasn’t happened yet, but it’s inevitable because of the math behind the problems. 

So be cautious about a portfolio overly dependent on government subsidies.

But something else popped up which is perhaps less obvious … and more exciting.

President Trump proposes selling off half of the U.S. strategic oil reserve to raise cash to pay down the national debt.

We’re not here to say whether that’s a good or bad idea.  We’re not that smart. 

Besides, our orange Trump phone isn’t ringing, so the White House hasn’t asked our opinion anyway.

But when things are happening which have direct economic ramifications, we’re interested in how they might affect real estate investors.

It’s a bit of a rabbit trail.  But because oil is an impactful component of economic activity, we think it’s worth the effort. 

To start, the immediate benefit of selling the reserves is reducing interest expense.  This is especially beneficial when interest rates are rising … or threaten to.

Of course, money saved on interest can be redirected into paying down more debt … OR,  it could be used for investing into income producing activities and infrastructure.

Now we’re not inside Donald Trump’s head, but we are real estate guys. 

So we wouldn’t be surprised to see the president direct more money into income producing activities and infrastructure. After all, that’s how real estate guys think … we don’t spend, we invest.

Of course, this begs the question … what kind of activities and infrastructure are most likely to get attention, and what kind of jobs will they produce … and where?

Real estate investors want to get to popular places and product types BEFORE they become popular.

So putting on our orange comb-over thinking cap, we think the-real-estate-guy-in-chief wants to create domestic manufacturing jobs.  It’s just a wild guess … based on what he overtly says he wants to do.

But the challenge for a domestic manufacturing agenda … as our good friend Peter Schiff points out … is the factories and supply chains needed to support it have long gone to China to take advantage of cheap labor and lax environmental laws.

So while a viable long-range strategy might be to create a more factory-friendly environment in the United States … the U.S. needs good, solid middle-class jobs NOW … or as close to now as possible.

So what kind of industry would be ideal for creating U.S. based jobs fast?

It would need to be something that could ONLY be done in the U.S., so there’s no temptation to take the jobs off-shore. 

And ideally, it would be for a product with both domestic and global demand.  

After all, a nation can’t get rich selling to itself.  It needs to export.

Of course, demand would need to be big enough to make a real contribution to economic activity. 

And it would also need to be a product with supply and distribution chains which either already exist or could be ramped up quickly.

Hmmm … we think it all points to energy.

After all, the U.S. has huge oil and natural gas deposits.  So the jobs to harvest, process and distribute them would all have to be created right in the United States.

And even though global demand for energy ebbs and flows, the long-term need for energy grows steadily along with global population and economic activity.

Remember, it was the energy sector which dominated the post-2008 U.S. job growth.  Many real estate investors rode that wave … especially in Texas.

Price wars with Saudi Arabia curtailed that growth, but with the Saudi’s still hurting over the last oil price war, maybe they won’t want to get into another.

And if the U.S. oil strategic reserve “savings account” is low, Uncle Sam’s in a better position to step in and provide some extra demand if prices need a boost.

So if a Trump Administration is pushing a pro-energy agenda, it checks a lot of boxes, even though it may miff staunch environmentalists.

Again, we’re not advocating one way or the other. 

We’re just observing and speculating about what might be happening, how it might play out, and how real estate investors might find opportunity.

So we went digging in our news feed for any interesting developments in the world of energy. 

Here’s something we found a little off the beaten path … 

First Ever U.S. LNG Cargo Set Sail For Northwest Europe

LNG is Liquified Natural Gas.  And it’s headed to Europe … one of Russia’s biggest customers.  Interesting.

But more interesting is this quote from the OilPrice.com article, referring to a report by the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) …

“According to the EIA, the U.S. is set to become a net exporter of natural gas on an average annual basis by 2018, due to declining pipeline imports, growing pipeline exports, and increasing LNG exports.

By 2021, four LNG export facilities that are currently under construction are set to be completed.”

Okay.  So this is probably a bazillion dollar business emanating from somewhere … where lots of people will need to do lots of work to make it all happen.  Jobs!

This took us on a hunt to find additional information about WHERE this LNG was coming from … because maybe those real estate markets are about to experience growth.

We found the EIA’s Annual Energy Outlook for 2017Actually, it was easy to find … because the OilPrice.com article linked to it.  Yeah, we’re sleuths.

The EIA report is 64 pages long with charts, graphs and maps.  On page 46, one map shows which U.S. regions they project to “lead growth in tight oil production.”

On page 60, there’s similar information about natural gas.

Now, we’re not saying these are treasure maps telling you where to invest in real estate. 

But it is a starting point for an investigation into where future job growth might occur … through natural economic forces, geo-politics, and a new U.S. administration eager to stimulate domestic production job creation.

But don’t just stop there.  Consider also the supply chain.

It takes big, heavy, expensive equipment and infrastructure to harvest, process, store and ship energy. 

These suppliers and sub-contractors might not necessarily be tightly geographically linked to the natural resources.  So look for them not by geography, but by working your way through the supply and distribution chains.

Because while energy production might create a surge of “primary” industry jobs, primary industry growth often gives rise to “secondary” (supply and distribution chain) jobs … sometimes in other areas.

Could this be the beginning of a resurgence of job growth in rust belt states? 

We don’t know.  But that’s another box President Trump would like to check, so it’s a development worth watching.

Until next time … good investing!


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Kiyosaki, Griffin and Black on Paying Attention and Choosing Wisely

Our latest show was recorded with you in mind – it’s a special one, unlike anything we’ve ever shared before! It takes place while cruising the open seas during our 15th annual Summit at Sea™.

You get to be a fly on the wall during an organic, non-scripted conversation with three of the world’s smartest experts in real estate and investing. (Lucky you!)

The way we see it, life is a buffet. And it’s up to you to choose wisely about what to put on your metaphorical plate. Our guests are here to help you choose the right portions. They will be dishing out juicy tips about how to get ahead of the game … and stay ahead.

In our latest show you will hear from:

  • Your bold Master and Commander, Robert Helms
  • His co-captain, Russell Gray
  • Mega bestselling author and investing expert, Robert Kiyosaki
  • Legendary author and film producer, Edward Griffin
  • International entrepreneur and founder of “Sovereign Man,” Simon Black

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The buffet is open

Every year at the Summit at Sea™, we witness an interesting paradox. Some of the brightest people gather onboard a beautiful cruise ship and we spend our time sharing wisdom and learning from each other.

But when we come out of our classes and go on deck, we see the other side of the coin. We see people lined up at the buffets and bars who are just waiting for things to happen to them.

“I call these people the victims,” Simon Black says. “The world is changing so fast. Demographics are changing. We have to make decisions on a daily basis about how to create capital. When you have uncertain times, there is something to be said about getting together with the tribe at an event like Summit.”

That’s is something we can all agree on: property sharing at its finest. Intellectual property, that is.

“The truth of the matter is all the great shifts in history have been driven by 1-2% of the population,” G. Edward Griffin says. “The rest were just followers.”

Look who’s talking

We all want to affect real change. Events like Summit at Sea™ are a catalyst for change. The power is palpable.

Ed, Simon, and Robert are three of our outstanding faculty members who use their life experiences to engage the minds of millions by creating valuable educational tools.

Ed’s work is astounding. His books, such as The Creature from Jekyll Island and The Fearful Master have changed how we think about the world around us.

Simon’s international entrepreneurship training teaches others how to make more money and keep that money, which ultimately increases personal freedom.

Robert is best known for his little purple book that continues to cause a financial revolution. Rich Dad, Poor Dad has been motivating people around the world to reshape their financial goals for 20 years.

History repeats itself

The best way to prepare for the future, whatever that may be, is to look to the past for answers to today’s economic and geopolitical questions.

“Everything that is happening has happened before to some extent,” explains Simon. “If we think about the Ottoman Empire, we see that the people existed to support the Empire rather than the other way around. I hope this isn’t our future, but we have seen similar instances in our own lives.”

Civilizations have come and gone. Ancient Rome. Babylon. Greece. Once thriving metropolises left in shambles because people weren’t willing to read the signs.

What are the signs to look for?

“We need to watch for the corruption of money,” says Robert.

As a kid, Robert would collect dimes, quarters, and half dollars because he had a suspicion money wasn’t exactly as it once was. Turns out, he was right.

“In Roman times they would steal silver by filing it off coins,” Robert says. “In 1964, the U.S. did a similar thing by using cheaper metals to plate the coins. And as a kid, I knew what was happening just by the looking at my money.”

Like Robert, we know human beings are intuitively smart about their money. Sometimes their education just needs a little fine-tuning.

“We are smart enough to read the signs,” Robert adds. “We know that when bad money comes into circulation, good money goes into hiding.”

Taxation without representation

What about the new hot-button topic? Taxes.

We want people to start thinking differently about taxes and their income in general. Once people can see innovative answers to basic questions about taxes, debt, capital gain, and investing, we’ll have a nation armed with the keys to success.

“Tax is one of my favorite topics,” says Simon. “Many people still believe the idea of paying taxes is moral. That we are somehow morally obligated to pay. But if we look, we’ll see an overwhelming level of waste and fraud.”

Robert has also been thinking unconventionally about taxes for years. And his financial journey ultimately turned his investments, savings, and other capital — maybe even the coins he collected as a kid — into millions of dollars.

“My whole game is to make millions of dollars while not paying taxes — legally, of course,” Robert says. “The reason the rich are getting richer is because they have no debt and they don’t pay taxes.”

Outsourcing our problems

Ultimately, what we want our listeners to gain from hearing these experts is they have the power to choose. With education and proactivity, they can earn millions, find true success, and make the world a better place.

Today’s problems might reflect our past, but they don’t have to be our future. We CAN’T sit back and let the changes just happen. We CAN’T outsource. We have to be it all — the manager, CEO, and owner of our destiny.

We have to think differently. Past generations may have faced similar issues to our current wealth gaps, stock inflation, and housing bubble, but it’s our job to discover new answers.

At the end of the day, we’d say humanity is something you can always bet on …

… and take straight to the bank.

“I think all the trends point out that we are on the verge of a financial emergency,” Ed explains. “But the root word of emergency is emerge … and those who plan and think will emerge from the rubble better than before.”

The sweetest reward

The buffet of life is spread across the table and you get to choose your reward. So will you take the Jell-O or go for the crème brûlée? There is no better time than now to take control of your life. And there is no better way than joining us and other field experts at our next annual Summit at Sea™ event.

To learn more about upcoming registration, please visit our website for information about the advance notice list.


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Weird happenings and the squish factor …

We got a fascinating boots-on-the-ground report from a friend of ours traipsing about Hong Kong … and no, this isn’t about Hong Kong.

“My Big Short moment …” was the subject line.

“The Big Short” refers to Michael Lewis’ book and the recent movie of the same name, which both tell the tale of events leading to the 2008 financial crisis.

Our friend went to an “open house” for a pre-development condo tower. Prices STARTED at $700,000 USD for a 216 square foot condo. Crazy.

Non-Hong Kong residents pay an ADDITIONAL thirty-percent “speculation” tax. Ouch.

We’re guessing government is trying to discourage global hot money from bidding up properties and pricing out locals who need places to live.

Our friend reports these condos are only fetching $2,000 per month rent. Even with today’s low interest rates, those numbers make NO sense.

Nonetheless, our friend says bank financing is available … with 40% down.

Apparently, the banks aren’t completely insane.

However, he says the developer is offering much more attractive 30-year, 15% down, “teaser rate” financing. It starts at prime less 2% for years 1-3, then prime less 1% for years 4-5, and then prime plus 1% for years 6 forward.

Now, for those around pre-2008, these loans sound hauntingly like the infamous 2/28 loans which triggered the mortgage meltdown.

But it gets better.

Apparently, the demand for these tiny, grossly expensive condos is so high, the developer set up a lottery system for buyers.

A prospective buyer must pay $100,000 HKD to enter for the CHANCE to buy a unit. And there’s nearly THIRTY wannabe buyers for each unit!

Does all that sound just a tad overheated?

Of course, Hong Kong’s not the only place real estate values are out of control. Last week, we made mention of growing concerns about Canada’s housing boom.

Does this mean real estate investors should hibernate until things calm down?

We don’t think so. But we certainly aren’t suggesting anyone buy into over-heated markets or product types.

So what’s going on?

When an economy gets flooded with cheap money, prices get bid up because the ratio between money (technically currency) creation and product creation favors money.

More money chasing the same goods means prices rise.

But prices don’t rise everywhere on every item across the board. It depends on who gets the cheap money and what they do with it.

There’s a bazillion factors affecting how excess money gets into circulation. No one really knows for sure where it’s going to pop-up.

We call this “the squish factor.”

If you squeeze a water balloon that has enough elasticity, it will squish out between your fingers … somewhere. But you don’t always know where.

And if you push it back in one place, it pops out another. Again, you don’t always know where.

Speculators try to guess where it’s headed, and front-run it. They’re called the “hot money”. Their goal is to get in and out early, and let the late-to-arrive and late-to-leave crowd take the lumps.

And you never know where the next bubble will pop-up … or recede.

The reason bubbles recede is because there’s nothing REAL underneath them creating value.

So when the hot money leaves to front-run the next asset class, the air comes out of the current bubble … and it’s pricing recedes to the true value based on income.

The big short of it (sorry, we couldn’t help it) is … value is based on income.

Rents of only $2,000 per month can’t possibly justify a $700,000 value. All the excess value is from hot-money “air” … and the only exit is the greater fool or the poorhouse.

So what’s an investor to do?

First, let’s make a distinction between an “investor” and a “speculator”. The former focuses on cash-flow, while the latter focuses on capital gains without adding value.

“Investors” use currency to acquire assets which produce cash flows. Acquiring assets is the objective.

Conversely, “speculators” trade assets to acquire currency. Acquiring currency is their goal. Buy low, sell high, collect currency. Repeat. The cash flow comes from the sale of assets, not the holding of assets.

By those definitions, an “investor” would NEVER buy one of those Hong Kong condos. The numbers preclude it. They just don’t make sense.

But hot money speculators will … and apparently are. At the margin of the hot money is the dumb money. The dumb money gets in and out late … if they can get out at all.

We know. We’ve done it. It’s VERY tempting because the profit can be BIG and FAST. And when you win, it feels GREAT. But …

So, YES … it is possible to make HUGE gains getting in and out of a bubble asset. Be it stocks, bonds, commodities, currency or real estate.

It’s also possible to make a lot of money in a Ponzi scheme or at the craps table. But it’s not investing.

We’re NOT saying capital gains are bad. Far from it! We LOVE equity. But REAL equity comes from CASH FLOW and holds up MUCH stronger when the tide of hot money recedes.

So while speculators are drunk with cheap money in the bubble casinos … sober investors are poking around boring markets looking for cash-flows and value-add opportunities with multiple exit strategies.

The great news is cheap money spends just as well in the boring markets and product types, but there’s no hangover after a binge. Values up. Values down. Cash flows fairly steadily.

With all the weird happenings in the global financial markets, it’s more important than ever to stay sober and focused on finding real value … markets with sustainable drivers and nice boring cash flows.

The irony is that when the air comes out of the over-heated markets, some of the hot money will flow into those boring markets. Which is a fun ride for those already there.

Meanwhile, many of those markets aren’t over-crowded … yet.

Until next time … good investing!


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Ask The Guys – Super Session Part Two

In this show, we’re pulling another fistful of questions from our bursting email grab bag. This is a two-part session of Ask The Guys … if you missed the previous round, you can check it out here!

In this episode, we’ll take on great topics, including how to

  • get started
  • find mentors
  • structure syndication deals
  • survive a crash
  • get into deal flow
  • and build credibility

Before you dive in, please take note of our standard disclaimer … we are not tax professionals or attorneys. This show does not contain advice, only ideas and information.

Ready to get started? In this edition of The Real Estate Guys™ show you’ll hear from:

  • Your informational host, Robert Helms
  • His info-maniac co-host, Russell Gray

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Question: Where does the beginner begin?

Steve, from Laguna Niguel, California is a fledgling investor. And like many newbies who’ve just dipped their toes into the vast ocean of real estate investing, he’s not sure where to start.

Steve asked us, “How do I turn what little knowledge I have into action? There’s so much information available, I’m afraid I might become an analytical quadriplegic trying to find reliable and trustworthy information.”

Before we offer any ideas, we want to offer Steve a big congratulations on taking the first step of getting himself educated on what is arguably the single greatest investment vehicle. (We’re talking about real estate, obviously!)

A new investor’s basic education should be two-fold:

  1. Educating yourself on what kind of opportunities are available and what kind of investor you want to be (that means developing your personal investment philosophy).
  2. Forming relationships with other investors who are doing the kind of things you can see yourself doing.

To begin, we recommend listening to past episodes of our podcast and listening to other investment podcasts, as well as reading books. This step is largely free and will help you understand the rules of the road and the language of the business.

THEN, before you get overwhelmed by the nuances of all that education, leverage what you’ve learned by attending real events with successful people who will help you understand how real estate investing works in the real world.

When considering which events to go to, keep in mind this wisdom … “People who aren’t invested won’t make the investment.”

If you’re only attending free events, you probably won’t be meeting the most successful people or getting the most helpful advice. You have to be willing to pay to put yourself in inspiring social environments.

Once you get some basic education, you need to take action. Education without action is essentially useless.

Start by assembling a team of professionals. At the bare minimum, you’ll need a mortgage consultant and a tax advisor.

And don’t just pick the cheapest option. Be strategic in your choices by looking for people who can help you expand your social networks.

Every relationship is a gateway to a whole host of other relationships.

As you go through the process of getting started, don’t be afraid to ask questions. Learn how to ask great questions, and you’ll find that deals will come to you!

Question: Should I join an investment mentoring program?

Another California resident, Diane, told us that she attended a FortuneBuilders seminar and was psyched about it. Now she’s wondering whether she should join their mentoring program.

We’ll start by saying that we don’t endorse any specific program. Almost every real estate coaching program out there can teach you valid, useful skills and introduce you to great people.

But what success in these programs really comes down to is you.

That’s right, you have to make the program work for you for it to be successful. That might mean kissing a lot of frogs.

We also want to clarify the difference between theoretical information and real world information.

In the world we live in, most employed and self-employed people are taught we need to know how to DO something to find success … and the better you are at that specific thing, the more dollars you can trade your time for.

This can lead to new investors consuming a lot of specific information that they might not really need. We want you to get out of that mindset.

Look for courses and programs that help you learn to build a team, create a basic investment philosophy, and practice your conversational skills … all skills you’ll actually need when you start investing.

Also make sure whatever program you choose teaches independent investing, not dependent investing. You need to build your own ability to be a successful investor … not others’.

Make sure any education you invest in leads to you DOING something with your newfound skills and info.

Question: I’m a syndicator. How much equity do I give back to investors?

Kevin, our third Californian listener of the day, asked us what to do in a specific syndication scenario. He’s splitting his deal 50/50 between the investors and himself, and wants to know whether he should also return a piece of the equity to investors when he refinances the deal and returns profits.

The reality, Kevin, is that the percentages completely depend on the deal.

If you and investors are both putting money in, obviously you’ll split the return in some way.

Ultimately, the way you structure a deal should satisfy the needs and the desires of everyone who is at the table (including you!).

There are a lot of variables that will affect the specific structure you choose … what you’re trying to deliver in terms of taxation, whether clients want their original equity back, what you and investors are looking for in terms of future opportunities, and more.

You have to think through all the possible permutations of the deal.

We’d caution you not to get caught up in a specific number. Instead, ask the important questions of who is doing the work, what will happen with your investment, and when will those changes take place?

Then structure your deal accordingly. Every deal will be different.

P.S. Check out our last edition of Ask The Guys to hear us answer a very similar question.

Question: Can you guys refer me to contacts?

Steven, from South Lake, Texas wanted to know whether we could refer him to contacts that are currently putting together syndicated multi-family apartment deals.

We don’t like to fashion ourselves as matchmakers. That’s not our job.

So our first recommendation would be that Steven and people like him come to our events and get around people who are familiar with the syndication world.

Making contacts at real world is your best bet for finding syndication deals.

However, we do want to make all our listeners aware of our investor registry. Because we’ve been in the real estate world for a long time, we have a lot of great contacts. This registry allows those contacts to connect with investors interested in specific deals.

Signing up is simple and easy … and your first year is on us! Sign up here.

Question: Do you sell recordings from the Investor Summit at Sea™?

The short answer is no.

The long answer is that you have to join us at the Summit to access the valuable information we provide there. The Summit creates a certain camaraderie that simply can’t be transmitted electronically.

However, we did record some livestream sessions this last Summit in partnership with Rich Dad Poor Dad Coaching … if you really want to get your hands on live material from the Summit, this would be your only avenue.

We do not personally use recordings from the Summit in any commercial capacity.

Question: How do I prepare myself for potential unrest in the United States?

Phillip lives in Southern California. He asked us specifically what the best place to live would be if America were to enter into a second, violent Civil War.

While we can’t state with any certainty that the U.S. has another Civil War in its future, we will say that many of our faculty members believe it’s very possible we’re heading for some big-time trouble in the future of our nation.

The reality is that economic cycles of boom and bust are baked into our economic system. And economic distress can mean unrest in certain places.

The threat of the unknown will always be present.

However, while a sudden recession can mean devastation for one person … it can spell opportunity for another.

How does the same environment produce such drastically opposite results? The difference is preparation.

We recommend you read Prosper!, a book on how to curb your vulnerability to frightening trends in our economy by our smart and prudent friends Chris Martenson and Adam Taggart.

And if you’re looking to situate yourself in a place that will be resistant to the effects of an economic downturn, we think it would be smart to look for areas where people aren’t highly reliant on government and supply chain infrastructure.

It’s wise to be concerned … but that doesn’t mean the answer is to hide in a bunker. Be prepared to bridge the gap between our current reality and new and unexpected possibilities. And don’t forget the wise and true words of Chris Martenson… “Humans rise.”

Question: I have a burning passion for real estate … and no money. How do I gain credibility with sophisticated investors so I can partner up or syndicate?

We love this question from Sam, a new investor and social work student in Brooklyn, New York.

Sam is passionate enough about investing that he’s read literally dozens of books on the subject. He knows that relationships are key to making good deals … and he also knows that he’s starting out without any connections.

We’d tell Sam that when you change anything in your life, you’re being recognized for your past, but what you can do in the future is uncertain.

So you have to create your future by acting like the person you want to become.

Russ had to go through this process when he started out in real estate investing. Like Sam, his background was in a different field. He took a few steps:

  1. He realized that his current connections weren’t the best prospects for getting better in his new field.
  2. He started to act like the person he wanted to be, projecting himself as a successful real estate investor.
  3. He changed who he was associating with by putting himself in new environments where he could make new relationships.

The key is to “Be who you’re becoming.”

When you’re establishing yourself as the person you want to be, lean on the credibility of those who’ve already found success.

Passion and enthusiasm are key. A great deal (and we mean great) will also help tremendously.

Our last words of wisdom? Don’t be the smartest, poorest investor. Take action.

Now, go out and make some equity happen!


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Ask The Guys – Super Session Part One

Ask The Guys is our radio segment where YOU ask us your burning questions … and we give our best shot at answering them.

Lately, we’ve received so many excellent questions we decided to do not one, but TWO episodes of Ask The Guys! In this first installment, we discuss finding deals that make sense, breeding equity, how to keep going when you’re out of money … and much more!

Before you get into the good stuff, we have to give you our standard disclaimer. We’re not tax advisors, and we’re definitely not attorneys, so we never provide any advice … just IDEAS.

In this episode of The Real Estate Guys™ show you’ll hear from:

  • Your problem-solving host, Robert Helms
  • His problematic co-host, Russell Gray

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Question: I’m looking into local real estate, and the numbers don’t make sense. What do I do?

This question comes from Walter, a Canadian listener.

Can you guess our first response? You got it … “Live where you want to live, and invest where the numbers make sense.”

Investing locally means you can have a heavy hand in daily business and management operations. Investing in other markets means someone else will do the work for you.

That can be a really good thing … IF you have the right team.

As you know, the market overall is quite tight right now. If you’re looking for deals in a tight market, you might spend all your time searching out deals that fit your criteria. That’s why it’s a good idea to look for markets that fit your criteria, then build relationships with a trustworthy team.

Of course, start out by building a solid personal investment philosophy.

Next, find your market and get set up with a good team. THEN you can work on finding a property to invest in.

Starting by finding a property first can be a disaster. We know because we’ve seen it.

Think this information sounds great, but wondering where to start? There are a few steps you can take:

  1. Start networking with folks in your area who are investing elsewhere. Get to know them and get familiar with what they’re doing.
  2. Research different markets, identify a handful that fit your criteria, and then check them out … in person!
  3. Get your resource network set up by seeking out credible management folks who know what they’re doing.

Whatever you do, ALWAYS evaluate whether a market makes sense before you even start looking for deals. Always.

Question: Can I reposition my equity to buy more properties?

Ari from West Hollywood, California, asked us whether it was prudent to use the equity from current properties for the down payment on a new property.

The short answer is yes.

The long answer is that equity repositioning can be a good idea, with some caveats.

You CAN take equity out of a property through cash-out refinances (or 1031 exchanges, if you want to relinquish the property).

And with today’s low-interest rates, this process allows you to harvest your equity.

A word of caution … it is possible to run into trouble. It’s NOT the act of moving equity that can work against you, but the act of taking on additional debt and income.

Any time you move your money, you have to weigh your ability to manage your income against your debt. It doesn’t make sense to take money out and invest in a property with low or negative cash flow.

When done right, equity optimization allows you to move easily from mature markets to emerging ones and diversify your holdings.

Always remember these words of wisdom … “Do the math, and the math will tell you what to do.”

Question: We’re purchasing our first property. Should we create an LLC to protect our personal assets?

Jonathan in New York City, is buying his first rental unit in the U.S. state of Maine (congratulations on taking action, Jonathan!).

He’s wondering whether it’s prudent to form an LLC in order to purchase the property … but worried that buying as an LLC will force him into a commercial loan with 10-year terms.

How to protect your personal assets is a common newbie question … and it’s a good one!

The primary question Jonathan has to ask himself is whether the added expense will be worth the protection. That answer will vary.

If Jonathan has a ton of assets, it might be worth it to form an LLC. Keep in mind there are other places he can move his money to … primary residences and retirement accounts come to mind.

The bigger question, though, is whether Jonathan will need the protection in the first place. Investors like Jonathan can put up a three-pronged line of defense:

  1. Consistent, good business practices.
  2. Clear documentation and legal paperwork with built-in arbitration clauses.
  3. Insurance, which will cover most problems that might arise.

The reality is that most people who use entities are usually working on bigger projects. And not all lenders will be willing to lend to an LLC with no operating history.

If you’re in Jonathan’s situation, you have to weigh the pros and cons. We recommend doing your homework … and checking with a local tax attorney.

Question: When is the next Investor Summit at Sea™, and when do tickets come out?

Adrian from Salt Lake City, Utah asked this timely question. Thanks for asking, Adrian!

The next Summit will be early to mid-April, 2018. Exact dates will be announced shortly!

We roll out registration in three phases … alumni first, then our syndication mentoring club, and then our advanced notice list.

Your best chance at getting a ticket? Get on the list! Sign up now if you’re serious about attending next year.

Question: Will it be more profitable to invest on our own or with a syndicate? (And should we invest for equity growth or cash flow?)

This question comes from Sheryl, in Pacifica, California. Sheryl told us she and her husband are newly debt free. Her question is best in her own words:

“Our goal is to save $100,000 this year and buy a rental property on the big island of Hawaii, where we eventually plan to live, to start establishing some cash flow. We also plan to take a year off and live off my spouse’s retirement while visiting Southeast Asia, South America, and Africa. We are frugal and have simple needs. Would it be better to invest $100,000 with a syndicate for better monthly cash flow return?”

Sheryl, you could invest in a property that provides cash flow and will be well-suited for your eventual retirement home.

But we’d caution you that one property may not be able to solve multiple needs.

One solution would be to buy a cash flow property, then use the equity you’ve saved to buy a perfect retirement home when the time is right.

Another solution might be to look for a property that will provide long-term price appreciation instead of a high cash flow. It’s a different investment vehicle that could carry you to the same destination.

And of course, syndication is always an option, and it might be a good one if you’re traveling and need a hands-off investment.

If you decide to come alongside a syndicator, you do have to be careful. Vet the deal and the sponsor just like you’d vet a deal of your own.

Make sure you line up your investment objectives and the timing with the investment and manager you choose. And above all, be certain you understand the underlying risks.

Question: I’m out of money. How do I extend my property portfolio?

This listener hails from London, England. (A side note: we LOVE hearing from listeners around the world!)

A former nurse, Bobby purchased a couple of properties in the outskirts of London. He loves real estate and wants to expand, but he’s out of money.

Maybe this sounds familiar to you … you got enamored with real estate, got educated, pulled the trigger and took action, then quickly realized your money was gone. This happens to a lot of folks.

If you’re like Bobby, the first thing you should do is ask yourself, “Knowing what I now know, would I still invest in these properties?”

If the answer is no, it might be time to switch things up.

We’ve found the best way to expand when you have limited resources is to force equity from properties by adding value, then use that equity in other properties.

The other way to go would be to syndicate. Leverage your knowledge, and use your skills to acquire and manage assets on behalf of clients who do have money … taking small slices from the pie along the way.

Because Bobby came from a demanding career path and wants to make his way in what can be a very demanding real estate world, we’d also caution him to be very careful about what he chooses to do and how he structures his business.

It’s no good to pursue real estate for less stress and then fall into the same pattern of stressful days and no fun.

Question: I’m a syndicator. What’s a good percentage to offer investors?

Our last question for this episode comes from Joel in Boston, Massachusetts. Joel puts deals together for investors, but he’s new to the game and isn’t sure whether he’s offering a percentage that’s too high.

He wants to find the sweet spot, and that’s a laudable goal … one every syndicator should have.

Our answer? There is no magic formula.

We’ve done deals about every way possible, and in our experience, the right structure is one that attracts the right capital and the right investors for YOU.

Finding the right number can be a dance and an art form. But there is a place you can start.

Begin by having conversations with investors and gauging their responses. Ask, “What number would make sense for you?”

And realize number may vary with each deal you make.

If you’re just getting started with syndication, err on the side of giving more to the investor.

The purpose of your first few investments ISN’T to build a fortune. You’re trying to start a business, so you need to emphasize your dependability, focus on predictable results, and build your track record.

Ultimately, the magic number is one you’re willing to get up every day and work for!


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Could taxing times be ahead for real estate …

President Trump has put his tax plan on the table for the world to see.  The big question is … what does it REALLY mean?

But rather than speculate on the future possibilities, let’s take a look at the last time big-time tax reform went from rhetoric to reality.

Way back in 1986, then-President Ronald Reagan signed a tax reform act that was hailed as one of the most significant pieces of legislation ever passed … and cleverly titled … The Tax Reform Act of 1986. 

Now we’re not saying Trump’s tax plan is anything like Reagan’s.  And who knows if Trump’s plan will pass, or what it will look like in its final form.

But they’re both considered “sweeping” in terms of radically changing the tax system.  

And when you consider how much time and effort businesses and investors put into navigating the incredibly confusing and cryptic U.S. tax code, it’s a safe bet ANY substantial changes will result in equally substantial changes in the strategy and behavior of market participants. 

Does that sound boring and wonky?

It is.  BUT … it’s probably worth the effort because of something called the Law of Unintended Consequences.

In this example, prior to 1986, lots of high income earners were buying up real estate for the LOSSES.

Seems weird.  But as Robert Kiyosaki pounded into our heads on the Summit at Sea™, wealthy people have different problems than those still working to become wealthy.

Wealthy people have TAX problems.  And prior to 1986, real estate offered an attractive tax shelter which many high earners invested in.

But The Tax Reform Act of 1986 removed this valuable benefit, and in perhaps what should have been obvious fashion, those wealthy investors started to DUMP those no longer useful investments.

Of course, when you have a glut of sellers, the result is falling prices. 

Those who were proactive and got out EARLY fared far better than those who waited.  As we like to say, “Plan and Do is better than Wait and See.

But there’s more to the story …

Because real estate is such a GREAT asset, lenders LOVE to loan against it.  It’s true today, and it was true back then.

Now even if you’re younger, you know what a bank and a credit union are.  But you may never have heard of a Savings and Loan.

An S&L felt just like a bank. 

You could use S&Ls to hold deposits, get loans, and they were backed up by the Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corporation (FSLIC).  The FSLIC was to S&Ls what the FDIC is to banks today.

Prior to 1990, S&Ls were among the most popular places to get loans for real estate. 

But something happened which drove the FSLIC into insolvency (yes, that can happen) and sent S&Ls the way of the dodo bird.  Extinct. 

It was The Tax Reform Act of 1986.  And we’re pretty sure that’s NOT what Ronald Reagan had in mind when he signed it.

That’s the way unintended consequences work.

We won’t bore you with all the details because that’s not the point of our comments.

The short of it is the S&Ls borrowed short to lend long against assets they thought had good price stability and liquidity. 

But the demand was largely driven by tax benefits and not by true underlying value. 

And when the tax code changed radically, so did the value-supporting demand of wealthy people seeking tax shelters.  No tax shelter, no demand.

In other words, the investments didn’t make sense without the tax benefits.

So with a new tax plan on the table, it might be a really good time to take a deeper look at your portfolio. 

How dependent are you on the current tax benefits to make the investment make sense?

If the tax benefit goes away, could you (and would you want to) stay in the deal?  If not, is there a way to restructure it so you could?

How vulnerable are you to interest rate changes?  Right now, stable financing structures might make better sense because of an unstable economic climate.

We’re not saying Trump’s tax plan is good or bad.  We’re not that smart. 

We only know it’s radical.  And the last time radical tax reform actually happened, it had unintended consequences … which created both problems and opportunities, depending on how one was positioned and paying attention as events unfolded.

Personally, we think it’s exciting.  Lots of change.  Lots of uncertainty.  Lots of opportunity to move boldly while others are hesitating.

It’s why we study, why we network with smart people, why we watch the macro and micro events so carefully.

There’s ALWAYS opportunity because there’s always danger.  They go together … and it’s your skill in navigating the changes that dictates which side YOU end up on.

Until next time … good investing!


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This might BLOW YOUR MIND …

Join G. Edward Griffin, Robert Kiyosaki and a host of other notable speakers for an event that will BLOW YOUR MIND …

If you’re familiar with the 1999 sci-fi movie The Matrix, you may recall the red and blue pills.

The blue pill allowed the hero Neo (played by Keanu Reeves) to remain in a computer induced illusion which SEEMED like the real world.

But it was fake … and hid the reality of Neo’s enslavement.

The mysterious mentor Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne) challenged Neo to take the red pill and “free your mind” to see the much harsher reality …humans enslaved by machinery.

Neo took the red pill.  Once enlightened, he became engaged in a very real world fight for true freedom.

But for one of Neo’s comrades, the artificial prosperity of slavery was too tempting.  It was easier to enjoy faux freedom than fight for the real thing.

What does this have to do with real estate investing?

Maybe nothing.  Maybe everything.

G. Edward Griffin’s iconic book, The Creature from Jekyll Island – a Second Look at the Federal Reserve, pulled back the curtain on the origins, mechanics and motivations of what is arguably the most powerful institution on the face of the earth.

It’s a VERY controversial work.  Not everyone agrees.  But it opens the imagination to the possibility there’s more to the Fed than meets the eye.

Some lay the blame for the dot com stock bust and subsequent real estate bust and mortgage meltdown directly at the feet of the Fed.

This alone makes the Fed worthy of study by any serious real estate investor.

The Fed could just be the tip of the iceberg …

The foundation of real estate riches is private property rights.

Every real estate investor should be VERY aware of any infringement upon their rights to own and profit from property.

But what if there are some people who believe your rights to profit from your property should be limited?

What if they’re working behind the scenes to infringe on your property rights?

Anyone paying attention knows this has been going on for some time.

It started innocently enough with eminent domain laws, which subordinated the individual’s property rights to the “greater good” based on the government’s best judgment.

Of course, there’s a long list of abuses of eminent domain.  But until it gets close to home, no one pays attention.

Later, the wars on drugs and terror effectively suspended constitutional due process … allowing the government to seize property first and prove guilt later.

Not surprisingly, there’s a growing list of abuses here also.

But again, so long as it’s the “other” guy and not you, it’s (maybe) okay.

Today, there are global environmental treaties being contemplated which may further erode your private property rights.  Where will they lead?  How will YOU be affected?

We’re attending the Red Pill Expo to find out.

More than just money …

On our 2016 Investor Summit at Sea™ we did a special panel discussion called Health – The Ultimate Wealth … which turned out to be one of the most popular sessions.

After all, what does it profit you to gain a fortune in real estate but lose your health?

This Summit session was born out of a personal crisis … when one of our very own was diagnosed with stage 4 cancer.

This horrible event led to an urgent study of the disease and treatment options, and ultimately to a shocking discovery about alternative treatments which are largely hidden from cancer patients.

We’d heard the stories.  But until we experienced it first hand, it just seemed like so much conspiracy theory.

But it’s not.

And it made us wonder … what other really important things do we not know about?

Standing on the edge …

Our friend and favorite teacher, Robert Kiyosaki, has taught us the importance of looking at BOTH sides of an issue … by standing on the edge of the proverbial coin.

Legendary shock rocker Frank Zappa said it best … “The mind is like a parachute.  It only works when it’s open.”

So we’re heading to Bozeman, Montana on June 23-24 for the Red Pill Expo.  We’re not sure what we’ll hear or whether we’ll like it.

But we have immense respect for both G. Edward Griffin and Robert Kiyosaki.

So when Robert Kiyosaki told us he’s rearranging his vacation to be in Bozeman, that was good enough for us.

Besides, the worst thing that happens is we’ll see a beautiful part of the world, and re-connect with our friends Ed Griffin and Robert Kiyosaki.

And who knows?  We might just pick up another piece of life-changing information or make yet another valuable relationship.

As Smash Mouth sang in All-Star, “You’ll never know if you don’t go.”

Click here now to join us at The Red Pill Expo.


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