Ask The Guys – Choosing Markets, Tracking Trends and Calculating Cash-Flow

It’s a fan favorite … another edition of Ask The Guy for this episode of  The Real Estate Guys radio show! 

We take on lots of great questions from our fabulous audience, including how to choose a good real estate market … which important trends to track and how … one of the most important jobs of any real estate investor: calculating cash flow … and MANY more! 

Just remember, The Real Estate Guys don’t give advice… what we do is give you ideas and information and you then will sit down with professionals so you can get specific advice for your market. 

In this episode of The Real Estate Guys™ radio show, hear from:

  • Your Know-It-All Host, Robert Helms
  • His Know-Nothing Co-Host, Russell Gray

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What Counts As Positive Cash Flow? 

Our first question comes from Frank in Winkler, Manitoba, Canada … Frank wants to know, if someone takes a mortgage out on an investment property using current home equity and the investment property just barely covers the expenses, is this positive cash flow? 

One of the basic understandings of investing in real estate is the basic income formula … where does the cash flow come from? You have income, which is pretty easy to calculate if you have a single-family home … and then you have expenses.

We say there are two sides: the math of being the owner and the math of the lender. In the United States … you can have a little negative cash flow on paper, and if you’re short, you can bring some of your own personal income to bear if you choose. 

The main point is … you need to make sure you have a comprehensive budget and go in with your eyes wide open. Owners should be careful when working with a negative cash flow … you might want to build that into your capitalization budget to have reserves to carry you until you can get it to where it needs to be.

Buying a Property in a Different State

The next question is from Mike in East Grand Fork, Minnesota. Mike says he owns three single-family homes free and clear and wants to buy a property in Arizona for a warm weather escape. He says he pulls in $2,000 a month in profit after expenses and is looking for any strategies.

First thing is … why would anyone ever sell a property that was putting $2,000 a month in their pocket? 

And the answer is, because you can re-allocate that to property or properties that might pull $2,500 or $3,000 or $5,000 a month in profit or you can move to a market you like better!

Assuming the owner is keeping the first three properties and likes the market… the obvious thing is to put a loan on them… take advantage of today’s low-interest rates… and redirect some of that $2,000 a month cash flow into what would be a down payment for the Arizona property.

The bottom line is … get together with your mortgage professional, find out exactly what loan programs are available to you based on your credit score, your balance sheet, the amount of equity you have in the properties where they’re located, and make sure this is somebody that can help you in both Minnesota and in Arizona.

Investing in Property in Another Country

Sean in Lima, Peru, says he and his wife are living there as teachers and plan to buy a home there, live it for several years, then rent it out as a long-term investment when they return home to New York or another destination. They secured a loan from a local bank in Peru, however, the interest rates are much higher than in the U.S. 

The short answer is … there’s nowhere on earth where we have found financing as favorable as in the United States of America.

Many people who buy in another country often turn to the ability to borrow on property in the U.S. and use those proceeds to buy a property in other places. That’s method #1. 

Method #2 … borrow locally. One of the reasons is that that loan and that creditor have nothing to do with U.S. credit or your tax returns and so often those loans are made locally by local banks who invest in the property … so it’s a lot less cumbersome.

There’s a whole other side to investing internationally … there’s the basis of law in the country, what property rights look like… what their expenses are … whether countries share a tax treaty. Just consider all those factors. 

Know Market Trends 

These next two questions are related. 

Victor in Ocala, Florida, wants to know how to pick a real estate market to invest in, and Al, from Richmond, British Columbia, Canada, wants to know … what drives real estate trends and what resources can help us follow the real estate trends globally? 

The trend is your friend. You need to understand what trends are in real estate.

Markets vary all across the world … so the big picture on finding market trends and discovering a great real estate market has to do with the suitability of the property, the viability of the income stream, and the age-old supply and demand question.

All things being equal … rents are strong where there is demand for people to live in places, and so as investors, we’re looking for places that have strong economies … favorable tenant landlord law … and good market metrics. 

Demand is based on people wanting to live there and their businesses wanting to live there. Supply is building … the ability to build … the ability of the marketplace to expand supply. 

Places like Manhattan and San Francisco can’t increase supply … so prices only have one way to go. 

For 23 years on the show we’ve said … live where you want to live and invest where the numbers make sense. 

If you’re going to invest somewhere other than where you live … then you do need to study the market and understand the direction.

A market could be really great and have a lot of jobs, but if the jobs are all tied to one or two employers or industries, that could be a risk. 

Our premise is that you can’t really pay attention to more than about a half a dozen real estate markets … maybe 8 or 10 if you’re a full-time investor.

You need to know your markets on a granular level as real estate investors. 

Ratio of precious metals in the portfolio

These two questions from different listeners are on the same topic. 

Jason asks, what should be the ratio between how much silver, gold, and income property one has? And Gary from Idaho Falls, Idaho, wants to know about what percentage of an investment portfolio should be in precious metals? 

We believe that before you’re a real estate investor, you’re an investor, and you better understand that “compared to what” factor. 

If you approach the idea that you invest in real estate to make money …  and you assume that those are dollars … then you need to know something about dollars and currency. 

If you really understand what money is, you’ll recognize that for thousands of years, gold and silver have been money … and it’s only been since 1971 that gold and silver have not been money. 

Gold and silver don’t make you money as much as they preserve your purchasing power, so that’s how they all fit together. 

It depends on what you’re trying to do … there is no magic formula. It’s more important that you understand what the role of these different things are in your portfolio.

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High Return Turnkey Rentals in Affordable Indianapolis

In tough times like 2020 has brought, demand for affordable essentials goes UP. When it comes to real estate, it doesn’t get any more essential than residential.

Indianapolis is a hidden gem of a market … it is very affordable while still offering tremendous quality of life.

You will learn why Indianapolis is attracting nearby Midwesterners trying to escape high-price, high-tax states nearby! 

In this episode, we visit with our boots-on-the-ground guy Jeff “Shecky” Schechter and learn why he thinks Indianapolis is THE market to be in. 

In this episode of The Real Estate Guys™ show, hear from:

  • Your high-return host, Robert Helms
  • His affordable co-host, Russell Gray
  • Our Indianapolis boots-on-the-ground correspondent, Jeff “Shecky” Schechter

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What Makes an Affordable Market

As a real estate investor, price is important. As you become more seasoned, it’s not the most important thing … but let’s face it, getting started is tough! 

One financial strategy in acquiring real estate has to do with finding markets that make sense …. the big picture is that income has to be enough to cover expenses and then some!

So you look at these markets that have appreciated over time like Northern California, the Bay Area, Seattle … places where the prices have gone up and up, and yet the rent doesn’t always keep pace.

Appreciation is one way we make money in real estate … but cash flow is how we hang on to the property, and so especially if you’re starting out, you want to find a good market where prices are affordable and the rents are strong.

As we’re sitting here in the latter part of 2020, we are on probably the front end or in the middle of the beginning of a pretty severe economic setback. Inflation is starting to show up. 

Your typical tenant is living paycheck to paycheck … and as people try to find a way to maintain a quality of life, to put a decent roof over their head to be in a decent community, they’re going to have to move around. 

So we look for places where the conditions are good or that are near a large, major population center … that is probably going to track people from those large centers into the more affordable marketplaces.

Many years ago for real estate trivia, we asked what the most affordable market was in America. It actually is the same answer today, and that is Indianapolis, Indiana! 

Affordability means that somebody can purchase a home and have the same utility and quality for the lowest price compared to what the average wage is. 

But then is there room for renters? Well, what we’ve discovered is in that market … people at lower incomes typically don’t have the ability to save up the 20% or more down payment it takes. 

So it’s a market where we see a lot of renters, and that’s great for landlords! 

Indianapolis also happens to be the neighbor of large markets that react differently than it does. 

We think if you’re looking for a place to buy an inexpensive property where the returns are going to be solid, this is certainly a good place to start. 

Get to Know Indianapolis 

When we were visiting Indianapolis last year, we loved that this place is clean, nice, has affordable houses, has a major sports team, and is the home of the largest sporting event in the world. 

We went on a quest, and that led us to our guest today … Jeff Schechter of High Return Real Estate from Indianapolis, Indiana. 

Jeff says things are going well in Indianapolis. While they are seeing a little bit of upward price pressure during COVID-19, investors are doing well and people are making money. 

First, we want to discuss the rental situation …. We asked Jeff how COVID has impacted people paying their rent in the Indianapolis market. 

He says that while there are some who have taken advantage of courts being closed, for the most part, his tenants have been great with paying, and he’s been able to work with those who could not. 

For those who don’t know the Indianapolis area, Jeff explains that it’s actually one of the biggest MSAs in the nation. 

He says, “We do see quite a bit of change in Indianapolis over the last few years; it has been going through quite a renaissance, so we’re seeing a lot of really great old commercial buildings being changed over to different use. We’re seeing new apartments going up or seeing a lot of those old beat-up homes being redone; I’m in one myself.” 

Having local market knowledge is huge … Jeff explains that over the four years he’s been working in Indianapolis, he’s seen a lot of improvement in many areas of the city. 

What about appreciation in the Indianapolis market? 

Jeff says, ”The last couple of years, especially in certain areas, we’ve seen some pretty significant appreciation.” 

But while that is exciting … he says it’s also a double-edged sword because the more that the price pressure happens, the harder it is to make the price to rent ratios work.

Indianapolis is Affordable for Everyone 

The premise of the show today is about an affordable market … so we ask Jeff to give the listeners an idea of what a typical house might cost.

Jeff says, “I’ve got one property right now that is under $50,000that’s for the whole house. Most of the sweet spot of what we do would be probably in the 60s to high 70s.”

Wow … now that’s AFFORDABLE! 

When it comes to rehabbing these properties, how does Jeff decide what needs to be done? 

Jeff says that’s actually one of the easiest parts of his job. 

Every week he meets with his acquisition crew, and they decide what properties they should go for. 

The key is in the relationship with the crew chief who gives them an initial assessment … and they have a great checklist and system for deciding what materials to put in the house. 

Next, we ask Jeff what tenant/landlord law is like in Indianapolis … and you’ll be happy to learn that he says laws are in fact very favorable for the landlords in Indiana. 

Compared to other states, it’s a great situation for investors and landlords. 

What about property management for those who live far away from their investment properties? 

Jeff admits that’s been one of the most difficult parts of the business for him … and we agree that it’s hard to find reliable and trustworthy people in property management. 

But Jeff found the right solution in a new property management company that wrote their own software and proved themselves. 

He says he’s happy with how they work. He doesn’t want to have to be the best at everything! 

Bottom line …  if you haven’t yet really taken a look at the Indianapolis market, there is a lot to learn. Jeff has put together a great report available to you AT NO COST! You will be able to learn why it’s a great investment market. 

For all the great insights Jeff has to share on the Indianapolis market … be sure to listen to the whole podcast. 


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Principles for Building a Successful Brand and Database

To profit in real estate you must attract the right opportunities and do the right things. 

Too many investors put all their focus on how to do deals … but they neglect the HOW of attracting people and opportunities. 

Business has proven principles for building a brand people like and trust … and for building a database full of the active and prospective sources of deals, capital, and services you need to succeed. 

Today, we’re visiting with a world-class marketing genius to discuss how to build a profitable brand and network. 

In this episode of The Real Estate Guys™ show, hear from:

  • Your successful host, Robert Helms
  • His unprincipled co-host, Russell Gray
  • Marketing legend, Kyle Wilson

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Building your brand and your network

Why is it that some real estate investors are so much more successful than others? It boils down to habits of success. 

The good news is that these are learnable skills … and we’ve got a great guest who is going to share some awesome ideas about how YOU can connect the dots to get your message out there. 

How do you market? How do you brand? How do you build a reputation? How do you work through other people?

Where a lot of real estate investors fail is they think success is about the transaction. They think it’s about the numbers. They think it’s about due diligence. 

Those things are important, but in any business, none of that matters if you aren’t building your brand and building your network. 

How people know you … how they think about you … how they feel about you … determines whether or not they move closer to your circle and bring you opportunities. 

Those relationships are the key to having a great business … which we know is just as true for real estate investing as it is for any other venture. 

Tactics vs. principles

Our guest today has an amazing background. He’s probably the best-known guy in the personal development world that you’ve never heard of. 

Kyle Wilson has more than 10 number one Amazon bestseller books and has been business partners with the legendary Jim Rohn for … but before that he owned a service station in Vernon, Texas. 

“I grew up in a small town, never went to college, and eventually owned this service station, but at age 26 I moved to Dallas looking for a new opportunity,” Kyle says. 

Kyle went to a seminar and ended up working for the speaker selling tickets to events. He then struck out on his own hosting events, which is how he met Jim Rohn. In 1993, they went into business together. 

The key is that Kyle was marketing before there were modern marketing tools … like the internet. 

Today, people think that marketing means they have to be online … but marketing principles have been constant for decades. 

For example, what’s easier … a referral or a cold call? Obviously, a referral is better. 

Kyle says he thinks of marketing as a wheel … you’re the hub, and each spoke is one of your different products or services. You want to get people on the wheel and take them around. 

It’s the mentality of hunting versus farming. You can try to hunt people down for a one-time opportunity, or you can try to grow and nurture lasting relationships for many opportunities in the future. 

The first big principle is having a great product. Second is having great service. Third, is being consistent and relational over a period of time. 

“People confuse tactics with principles, and so they put all their money and effort into tactics and ignore the principle side. But if you have a great product and great service and connect with people over and over, you’re going to watch your business compound,” Kyle says. 

In real estate, people who churn through clients aren’t really interested in taking care of people long term … but if you are watching masterful agents, they keep in touch and do so much better. 

Strategies for success

One strategy anyone can use is to create platforms where you can make connections … things like podcasts, seminars, email lists, and more. 

“I think the way you take responsibility for your own business is that once you get a customer, you want to keep them, and you want to communicate with them,” Kyle says. 

Remember, it takes people time to engage. 

We have people show up at our own events who just found our podcast two weeks ago … and we have people who have been listening for eight years and just decided to take the plunge. 

You want to get those people on your platform. Get them on your list so you can talk with them and interact with them. What you communicate to them is the biggest thing in your control. 

“My ultimate goal is to get someone’s contact information so I can follow up. If you lose track of people, that’s throwing money away,” Kyle says. 

There are certain things on your “marketing wheel” that are designed to bring people to you. 

That could be a newsletter. It could be that you send out cool articles from other people. It could be a podcast like ours, or it could be that you’re doing a YouTube video once a week. 

Whatever it is, you’re sharing something. 

You don’t have to share with the mind to sell a specific product. Instead, simply think about creating value for these people. 

Once you have built an audience and are sharing with that audience, then you can periodically give them the opportunity to say yes to something … but you’re not having to constantly sell. 

If you build an audience, then you can attract talented thought leaders. They need an audience to talk to … and they might want to do business with you. 

For more on principles that build a successful brand and database … listen to the full episode!


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Delaware Statutory Trusts — A Powerful Tool for 1031 Tax Savings

Real estate investors LOVE the 1031 tax-deferred exchange. 

But when you want to exchange your equity into a partnership so you can get into bigger, better deals in new markets with professional management … a 1031 comes up a little short. 

A great solution? Delaware Statutory Trusts. 

Even though they have been around for years, many investors don’t know about this powerful investment tool. That’s why we are talking with a syndicator who knows how to use this strategy to keep your equity compounding. 

In this episode of The Real Estate Guys™ show, hear from:

  • Your powerful and trustworthy host, Robert Helms
  • His tool of a co-host, Russell Gray
  • Delaware Statutory Trust organizer, Paul Moore

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Building on the 1031 exchange

One of the things we have to manage as real estate investors is our tax liability. We want to pay as little tax as possible, but we also want every tax advantage we can get today. 

Today, we’re going to talk about a relatively unknown technique that’ll help you preserve tax and make more money. 

There is a strategy behind how and when you change assets. If you sell a rental house after five years, you’re going to do something with the proceeds. 

In this episode, we’re talking about a structure that doesn’t get talked about enough, because it allows people some really great benefits. 

As always, we are not tax professionals. We don’t give advice … but we will share some ideas and information. 

One of the great tools we have to repurpose and reposition wealth is a 1031 tax deferred exchange. 

People talk about this strategy as a way for an individual investor to avoid tax … but it has been more difficult for syndicators. 

How do you implement this strategy in a group investment? 

Solving that problem has been really difficult … but there have been some new innovations in terms of the way people are using some of the structures available. 

What is a Delaware Statutory Trust?

Paul Moore from Wellings Capital is a syndicator who specializes in some great asset classes … but he has also helped unlock the key to a new chapter of 1031 investing. 

“The 1031 exchange is great. When the 2017 tax law came out, we were all concerned that maybe they were going to take it away, and they did for almost everybody except real estate investors,” Paul says. 

As real estate investors, we are really fortunate that we were able to keep the 1031 exchange. It gives us great leverage and the ability to compound tax deferred. 

And … you could even swap till you drop and never pay capital gains or recapture tax. 

But even with all the advantages of a 1031 exchange … it’s really hard if you want to go from an active manager to a passive manager. 

Paul says over the last three or four years he has had many people call him with 1031 exchange money that his funds couldn’t help. 

They were frustrated and his team was too. 

The last thing any investors want is to see other investors give up and pay taxes or invest in something that they might not have otherwise just to avoid taxes. 

So, Paul started looking into the Delaware Statutory Trust … an ownership model in which a legal entity allows people to buy fractional interest in a property and even diversify among several DSTs. 

This takes away the time pressure, the negotiation, and the management hassle of the 1031 exchange. 

It also gives direct ownership … which means that the replacement property is going to flow the tax deferrals to the individual investor. 

Now let’s be clear … it’s a Delaware trust … but the property doesn’t have to be in Delaware, and the person doesn’t have to be in Delaware. 

The beneficiaries are actually the people who buy the fractional interest, but the professional manager who runs it takes on all the hassle. 

A DST also allows the 1031 exchange investor to get a stabilized, predictable return. 

Another benefit is the ability to slowly transition your portfolio over time into bigger and bigger projects under the watchful eye of professional management. 

In a nutshell, the Delaware Statutory Trust allows people the same benefits of a 1031 exchange … but rather than investing in a specific property, you’re investing alongside other folks. 

One big downside to the 1031 that does carry over to the DST is the debt rule. 

If you’re investing $100K and you have 40% debt and 60% equity, you have to have that same percentage in the new investment. 

If you don’t, you just pay tax on the part that’s out of whack. But you still have to pay some tax. 

Types of properties for a DST

The return and the income model for the investor will depend on the property itself. 

What are the range of types of properties that make sense for Delaware Statutory Trust operators to consider?

For a long time, the most popular properties for DSTs have been things like triple net leases … a long-term lease that delivers predictable income. 

But now, DST providers have also gone into multifamily. There are self-storage DSTs. There are even mobile home park DSTs. 

The important thing is to have a stable, predictable, passive income. If the property isn’t generating something that’s predictable and stable, it will throw off the DSTs. 

But, that’s why investors can expect a set return. 

For more on 1031 exchange and Delaware Statutory Trusts … listen in to the full episode!


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Build-to-Rent Residential in Central Florida – Affordable and New

Many people ask us what the best way is to get started in long distance landlording.

THE ANSWER … buy an affordable, brand new property in one of the best markets in the country. 

We’re taking a deeper look into how one innovative developer is building new residential properties especially for investors like YOU. 

In this episode of The Real Estate Guys™ show, hear from:

  • Your good as new host, Robert Helms
  • His very affordable co-host, Russell Gray
  • Veteran Central Florida real estate broker, Jean Gillen
  • Build-to-Rent real estate developer, Wagner Nolasco

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Sunny Central Florida

All real estate markets are not created equal. With the current COVID-19 crisis, there are markets that have weathered the storm pretty well while others are in complete disarray. 

The thing is … people and money and business don’t just go away. They do, however, move around. The key is to see where they are going. 

When you can see that, you see that there is going to be an opportunity on the opposite side of a problem. 

Today, we’re taking a look at a market that’s cheap, cheerful, and affordable … Central Florida. 

As more people are realizing that they can work from anywhere, they are asking themselves where they would like to live. 

Central Florida has great weather, sunshine, and things to do. It has been one of our favorite markets for many years … and it’s not really one market. 

It’s a huge area with multiple exciting markets within it. 

Today we’re learning why it is that Central Florida continues to do well in spite of COVID-19 from two people who really know this market well … Jean Gillen and Wagner Nolasco. 

People want cheap and cheerful

Jean Gillen has been in this business for a long time as a realtor … and her specialty is helping investors. 

As a realtor, Jean understands that the investment market is kind of unique. She knows what investors are looking for and what they need to make a great deal happen. 

“The biggest thing we have found out through this pandemic is that one of the places a lot of people want to move to is Florida,” Jean says. “We’re cheap, and we’re cheerful.”

For example, someone moving from California and buying a $200,000 house is getting a home that is equivalent to a $1.5 million house on the West Coast. 

If you look at a Central Florida parking lot and take a look at the license plates, you can see where folks are moving from … Illinois, New York, Arkansas, Missouri. 

Central Florida has tons of new jobs in growing industries like space and tech … with over 400 new employers on the “space coast.”

And don’t forget about those lovely retirement communities and the fact that there is no state income tax. 

One thing that is important for investors to know and remember is that only 60% of the land in Florida is built on. 

Jean and her team target homes on infill lots at about a quarter of an acre with amenities and neighbors already in place. 

But what about hurricanes?

“We do not worry so much about hurricanes. We do have hurricanes, but we are able to prepare. And, with 2020 construction, the homes really can withstand a lot,” Jean says. 

In Florida, investors will want to purchase a cement block house. The facade can be different, but the cement block structure means you’re ready to weather any storm … and the resell value will be higher. 

Standards for 2020 construction reduce the amount of insurance you have to have on your home. The average insurance for a $215,000 home is about $49 a month. 

Why brand new?

A couple of years ago, Jean introduced us to Wagner Nolasco. Wagner is a home builder who has teamed up with Jean to provide the type of housing that is in demand for investors today. 

They’re building single family homes … ground up construction, brand new … but literally in the path of progress and growth in these Central Floridian communities. 

There are many advantages to an investor buying a brand new house. 

“I’ve done over 400 turnkey properties in my career, and from that experience, I tell my friends that are doctors and investors, ‘You can put a brand new heart into a person, but you can’t guarantee that the arteries are going to be unobstructed,’” Wagner says. 

When you buy a 40 or 50 year old house and fix it up, there are always going to be more problems down the line. 

When you buy brand new construction, you can safely bet that your capital expenditure is going to be minimal over the next several years.

Florida has one of the toughest building construction codes in the country … concrete block construction, brand new hip roofing, energy efficient air conditioning, windows that can withstand 140 mph winds, tile floors throughout, and the like. 

“It’s more bang for your buck,” Wagner says. 

Together Jean and Wagner have re-engineered what the typical individual moving to Central Florida will be looking to pay for housing and determined what they can build brand new to offer a win for both investor and tenant. 

By building the same model house on infill lots in various communities, their team can buy in volume and lower costs while creating a better product than a turnkey property. 

And, 80% of tenants that rent a new house will stay for three or more years. Less turnover means more money in your pocket, fewer repairs, and better quality tenants. 

To learn more about investing in brand new construction in Central Florida … listen to the full episode!


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Lifestyle Investing for Family, Fun and Profit

You invest your money to make more money … but there is so much more to life than cash. 

Still, you have to have a way to fund your fun. Some say invest now and play later … but why not invest now AND play now, too?

We’re talking about lifestyle investing. 

Beautiful properties are available for you to live in … part of the time … and rent out for the rest. 

In this episode of The Real Estate Guys™ show, hear from:

  • Your playmaker host, Robert Helms
  • His playful co-host, Russell Gray 
  • The Grove Resort’s Nick Rohrbach

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Lifestyle investing is in style

You can find an investment property that pays you to own it … a place where you can spend time and enjoy yourself. 

It’s called lifestyle investing. 

When most people invest in real estate, they don’t think about living in the house that they choose as a rental. 

But so many people own a house that they USED to live in … but now rent out. 

Lifestyle investing turns this idea on its head and blurs the lines to bridge the gap. 

You find a property that you would love to spend time in occasionally … and in the meantime, it creates income. 

Most of us invest in rental properties to create wealth so that we spend that money somewhere that we enjoy. 

With lifestyle investing, you buy and asset what you want to enjoy yourself and organize it so that it pays YOU to own it. 

A unique rental niche

In a typical rental property, your tenant normally moves once a year. But a lifestyle property is usually rented by the night … which makes management more expensive. 

On the other hand, while a monthly tenant might be paying the equivalent of $20 a day … a nightly vacation renter could pay several hundred dollars. 

You’re paying to have a hands-off experience … and you want to deliver an exceptional service level. 

One of the beautiful things about this niche is that you’re marketing to affluent people. You have customers who aren’t necessarily as burdened when economic times turn backward. 

Another great thing about resort properties … renters are typically tourists from out of town … which means you aren’t as reliant on ups and downs in the local economy. 

And when you have a really unique property, you can attract people from all over the world. 

Don’t get us wrong … it’s not just the world’s most wealthy we’re talking about. 

Some people save all year long for their vacation. They are frugal the rest of the year … but when it is time for vacation, they want to have a good time. 

Let’s be clear … lifestyle investments are NOT timeshares. 

A timeshare isn’t really real estate. It’s more like a prepaid vacation. You don’t have equity ownership. Lifestyle investments CREATE CASH FLOW. 

If you don’t have enough cash to get started, resort properties can be the perfect opportunity for simple syndication. 

With a few owners, you can all use the property for a certain amount of time each year … and share the profits the rest of the time. 

Factors to consider

When selecting a resort property, you need to decide how the seasonal market is. 

It’s like being in retail. If you have a strip mall, you know your tenants lose money during the off season … but they make it all up during the holidays. 

If your property is a prime skiing location … think about what happens to it during the summer. 

You need to look at the property as a totality of ownership … and then you have to be really good at managing cash flow. 

The good news is that you don’t need to go in blind. It’s like we always say … if you’re going into a market you’re not familiar with … BUILD RELATIONSHIPS. 

In this case, you really want to build relationships with property managers

They know the demographic. They know the trends. They know the inventory … and they really know the income. 

It is so important with any deal … and especially with lifestyle investments … to do your due diligence. 

But once you do … if you choose your market correctly … you’ll discover a market that is robust and not hung up in too much seasonality …. and then you choose a product that makes sense for you. 

Rentals at The Grove Resort

We caught up with our friend Nick Rohrbach at The Grove Resort to learn more about a really interesting lifestyle investment opportunity. 

The Grove is an amazing resort property in Orlando … amazing facilities, a 7-acre water park, a four-star spa, and a stone’s throw from the Disney theme parks.

The people who visit here are all about the lifestyle. 

And for investors, it means owning a beautiful, professionally managed resort property in one of the hottest markets in the USA. 

Nick says that many tourists come to spend their days at theme parks … but then they want somewhere comfortable and luxurious to come back. 

What makes The Grove a unique opportunity is that the big ticket amenities … including the water park … are included in the rate. 

“That’s what makes our occupancy higher than average, and average occupancies in the area are already fairly high at 77.5% in Orlando,” Nick says.

The Grove caters toward a wide variety of guests … there are spaces for weddings, family reunions, and small conventions. 

The suites at The Grove are all two and three bedroom condos … perfect for families or employees. 

Units are completely turnkey … and managed by a team that has been in business in the area for over 40 years. 

“And Orlando really is a year round destination,” Nick says. 

Ultimately … like any investment opportunity … you need to find a deal that works with your personal investment philosophy. 

Interested in learning more about The Grove? “Come on-site and stay with us,” Nick says. 

To learn more about lifestyle investing and opportunities at The Grove Resort, listen in to the full episode. 


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Podcast: Lifestyle Investing for Family, Fun and Profit

Life and investing are much more than just making money.

Of course, profits are important for funding a fun lifestyle … but why wait?

In this episode, we discuss the idea of investing in beautiful properties you’d love to live in … sometimes … and rent out the rest of the time.


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Podcast: Cashing In On the Space Race – New Homes in a Market Ready for Lift-Off

The stars are aligning for real estate investors in a market we’ve liked for a long time. And it’s getting even better.

Billions of dollars … both public and private … are making their way into a re-invigorated space race … in a market already thriving thanks to international tourism, low taxes, strong population growth, great infrastructure, and so much more.

Discover how investors are cashing in on the space race as we discuss Central Florida with a boots-on-ground market expert!


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From Disney World to Bizarro World …

The real estate story behind Walt Disney World in Florida has a valuable lesson for investors today … and it’s not what you think.

If you’re unfamiliar, Walt Disney decided to create a new and improved East Coast version of his epic California Disneyland. But he needed land … LOTS of it.

So he went to Florida.

By then, Disney was a household name and the success of Disneyland was well known. This created a problem for Disney.

If local landowners realized Disney was behind the assemblage of land needed to build another park, it could take a lot more time and money to get the project done.

So even when the land deal hit the news in May 1965, Disney waited months to announce his plan to build Disney World.

The obvious lesson is to avoid showing deep pockets when the other party has leverage.

But that’s not why we’re talking about it today.

There’s something else going on in the world … something we’ve been watching for some time … that could become one of the biggest financial stories in the last 50 years.

So while financial reporters hang dutifully on every word that proceeds out of the mouth of Jerome Powell today

… there’s another voice in the marketplace only a few nut jobs (like us) are paying attention to.

Gold. And yes, this matters to real estate investors.

But it’s not what gold is doing in response to what the Fed says. It’s about what gold is saying about the state of the system that the Fed is not.

Of course, there are implications for you and your investments … real estate and otherwise.

The quandary for pundits everywhere is why the Fed is considering lowering interest rates in the midst of “the greatest economy ever”.

Typically, interest rates are lowered to stimulate a sluggish economy.

Sure, it’s possible the economy could be far less robust than claimed.

You probably know this is now officially the longest “recovery” on record … so perhaps a preemptive boost is a good idea.

Maybe the Fed is simply yielding to President Trump’s pleas to go tit for tat with those pesky currency manipulators … to help keep America’s exporters competitive.

If you read the financial news, it’s easy to get lost in all the conjecture surrounding the dollar, the Fed, the economy, and interest rates.

But while people are bickering about political intervention in monetary policy, and what it all means to asset values …

 central banks around the world have been quietly stocking up on gold at the fastest pace in 50 years.

So what?

Think of Wall Street and insider trading. When insiders of a corporation buy or sell … it’s often because they know something others don’t.

Savvy stock traders watch these moves for clues about the future of the stock.

When it comes to money … or more accurately, currency … you can’t get much more “inside” than central banks.

It’s reasonable to think they know something.

Most “investors” look at gold as a trading vehicle … something to buy and sell in order to create currency “profits” in the same way a flipper trades houses to generate currency profits.

But central banks can print currency … at next to no cost. They don’t need to trade gold or anything else to generate currency. They can print all they want.

Think about that.

Could it be gold has another role in international finance?

Apparently, China and Russia think so. Along with Poland, Hungary and Malaysia … to name just a few. The list is long.

Another notable advocate for putting gold back in money is Judy Shelton. Shelton is President Trump’s latest nomination to the Federal Reserve Board.

It’s also notable that of ALL the things Fed Chair Jerome Powell could say in his limited testimony to Congress, he chose to warn them against a return to the gold standard.

Maybe it’s just us, but reminds us of this admonition from the Wizard of Oz

“Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!”

So what does all that have to do with Disney?

Remember, Disney wanted to accumulate land without anyone realizing what he was really up to. Everyone just looked at each deal as a one-off.

Disney and his team were careful to be sure no one saw the master plan until he unveiled it.

(Of course, people playing close attention figured it out … but by the time the masses knew, the deal was done).

But think about this …

If YOU had an unlimited credit card, no ethics, and knew you were about to go bankrupt … might you use your credit to buy and stash things of real value before the card is shut off?

If the players in the casino know the house is about to go bust, there’s a mad dash to cash in the soon-to-be-worthless chips.

Just remember, these are big, lumbering central banks and a worldwide financial system. “Soon” can take months … or years.

So no one knows exactly when the tipping point comes. It’s slow at first … and then all at once.

We’ve been watching this story develop since we first wrote about it in our Real Asset Investing report in 2013.

We discuss it in more detail in the videos of our more recent Future of Money and Wealth conference.

It’s clear there’s SOMETHING going on …

The ultimate currency insiders are aggressively acquiring gold. Nations who had entrusted their gold to third parties are steadily repatriating. Perhaps not so trusting anymore?

Lots of things going on geo-politically have no apparent rhyme or reason, until you look past the chatter about democracy and human rights … and just follow the gold and oil.

Richard Nixon shocked the world on August 15, 1971 when he changed the entire global monetary system in a “temporary” defense of the dollar.

Gold and oil spiked as the dollar collapsed. Interest rates were eventually hiked to over 20% to save the dollar. Every individual and business on the planet was affected.

Some people lost fortunes while others made them. The difference was (and still is) awareness, preparation, and a willingness to act when others stand paralyzed.

Some people noticed the exploding debt of the 60’s, the silver coming out of the coins in 1964, and the French President’s public warning about misplaced faith in the U.S. dollar.

People paying attention back then positioned themselves to prosper in spite of … or more accurately, because of the turmoil.

That’s why we attend and produce investor mastermind events like the New Orleans Investment Conference and the Investor Summit at Sea™.

It’s where we talk with alert investors and savvy thought leaders … searching for actionable intelligence in a noisy, chaotic world.

Though largely ignored and misunderstood by many on Main Street, there’s a very public and aggressive global search for alternatives to the U.S. dollar.

Whether it’s gold, crypto, the yuan, or something else … if and when a viable alternative to the dollar is embraced by the rest of the world …

… Americans could well be faced with spiking interest rates (the Fed will lose control), a collapsing dollar, rising asset prices in dollar terms (inflation), falling values in real terms, and a contracting economy (recession).

Those with low fixed-rate debt, real assets (including gold), cash-flow producing investments (like rental property), are likely to be big winners.

The world didn’t END when Nixon reset the system. It just changed.

So this isn’t doom and gloom … it’s hope and opportunity … IF you’re among the aware, prepared, and prone to act.

After all, if you own solidly cash-flowing properties in affordable markets, while holding a chunk of your liquid reserves in gold (with no counter-party risk) …

… and nothing happens, how are you worse off?

But if gold is the canary in the coal mine signaling that the Wizards are up to something, it might be smart to be hedged.

Until next time … good investing!


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